# What is the point of having a high security status? **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [July 23, 2023, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554 "2023-07-23T16:19:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2023, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/21 "2023-09-24T23:46:35Z")
The guy seems to believe security standing trending toward 0 is a bad idea because according to him it is easy to get -10. I dont understand that argument because he seems to believe getting -10 is too easy, but at the same time he wants it to stay that way. So today if you want -10 you go to Jita once and do the thing he said. But if security status trended toward 0 over time you would have to do it more than once to keep -10. How is that not better? It would also be cool if security status trumped faction standings. So if you had a high security status faction police would leave you alone. What could be bad about that? Lets hear the glaring shortcomings from that pls! GENUINELY CURIOUS ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2023, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/22 "2023-09-24T23:50:55Z")
You have presented an idea to the community. We are pointing out the myriad ways in which this idea can be completely circumvented. Many of us cannot see the point of the changes you are suggesting. Many ideas get presented to this forum. Very few of them cannot be either circumvented or abused. If this is “nitpicking”, then i will pick those low hanging, obvious nits. ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2023, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/23 "2023-09-24T23:52:55Z")
You are not the community, and there have not been a myriad of ways pointing out why its a bad idea. If so feel free to list them ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2023, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/24 "2023-09-24T23:56:58Z")
_Situation A_ You go to Jita and fire an ECM burst jammer on a large group of players. You gain -10 sec status. All else being equal It stays that way _Situation B_ You go to Jita and fire an ECM burst jammer on a large group of players. You gain -10 sec status. It goes back to 0 over time. Which situation is better **and why**? ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/25 "2023-09-25T00:08:02Z")
It is not smart to think that situation B is worse “because ppl can just do it over and over” if they want to maintain -10. Unless you believe that Jita will be full of this type of player under these circumstances. But even of it will, what is the harm. Its just ECM. There are more interesting questions such as what if a player creates a character to do piracy then logs off for and waits for half a year until security status is back to 0? And what if he has like 6 characters he rotates between? That is just being smart and not a reason not to do it imo. But lets hear it from the community. Even tho i bet the community will always pick Situation A for no other reason than that’s how it works today. So yea, how smart is the community really? Maybe we should ask them that as well^^ How smart are you really? ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 12:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/26 "2023-09-25T00:18:39Z")
You’re not making a compelling case as to why your proposed changes would be A Good Thing™. Instead of simply attacking and belittling those of us who are engaging with you, why not flesh out your concept and explain the benefits you believe it will bring. I don’t claim to be “the” community, just a member of it. ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/27 "2023-09-25T00:21:35Z")
I already explained what i believed the benefits are and you seemed to ignore it to focus on an edge case that isnt a problem ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/28 "2023-09-25T00:30:56Z")
Also if you say something that isnt smart and someone points it out to you are you being belittled? Seems like the opposite is the case ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/29 "2023-09-25T00:33:51Z")
From my reading, the main beneficiaries of this will be nullbears running anoms in ISK’tars. The number of nullbears with 5.0 sec status is considerable. For them to maintain that sec status, they simply have to do exactly what they’re currently doing. And for doing this, they’ll earn more? And you don’t see any issue with this? ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/30 "2023-09-25T00:34:41Z")
Im curious what is the issue with that? ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 12:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/31 "2023-09-25T00:40:34Z")
You are basically against making the game feel more rewarding to play ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 12:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/32 "2023-09-25T00:56:47Z")
AFK’tar and Gila bots already infest vast swathes of nullsec. You propose to reward them with a higher income? As for your average nonbot nullbears, they’ll also earn more for doing their current activity? There’s very few ways a nullbear can lose sec status. Short of going to lowsec or indulging in some hisec ganking, you’re average nullbear will maintain their 5.0 sec status basically indefinitely, simply doing what they are currently doing. Increasing payouts for anoms in null space will have knock-on effects through the rest of the economy. The most obvious would be inflation. Hisec carebears will also start getting higher payouts under your scheme. There’s a reason ccp hasn’t increased rat bounties. That reason is inflation. Do you understand yet? Or do I need to use smaller words? ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/33 "2023-09-25T01:06:40Z")
Its interesting how a few minutes ago you were like “you are belittling people” and now you are like > Do you understand yet? Or do I need to use smaller words? Is there any point in continuing the conversation when you are like that? ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/34 "2023-09-25T01:07:44Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > Is there any point in continuing the conversation when you are like that? I’m happy to be civil when I’m treated civilly. You have yet to do that. ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/35 "2023-09-25T01:09:46Z")
Define being treated civilly. ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 1:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/36 "2023-09-25T01:21:08Z")
Dont think your attempts to manipulate the readers has gone unnoticed ---
**Author:** ![Nicen\_Jehr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicen_jehr/32/388048_2.png) [@Nicen\_Jehr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicen_Jehr)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/37 "2023-09-25T01:35:28Z")
mommy mommy OP’s gone crazy ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/38 "2023-09-25T01:35:58Z")
Is that true? ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 2:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/39 "2023-09-25T02:07:09Z")
How about you respond to the points I’ve made regarding the inflation and other economic impacts your concept would bring about? ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 2:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/40 "2023-09-25T02:09:01Z")
Nope, you are arguing in bad faith and what not so im not going to talk with you from this point 🙂 take care [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554.md?page=3)