# What is the point of having a high security status? **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [July 23, 2023, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554 "2023-07-23T16:19:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 2:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/41 "2023-09-25T02:10:34Z")
If you can’t defend your idea from honest criticism, then maybe it’s a bad idea? How am i arguing in bad faith? ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 2:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/42 "2023-09-25T02:19:13Z")
You focus on edge cases that are not a problem, you resort to manipulation and also show a lack of respect for people who disagree with you or even prove you wrong ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 2:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/43 "2023-09-25T02:46:51Z")
O.o Your definition of an “edge case” varies wildly from my own. I have shown you far more respect than you have shown me. You have yet to “prove me wrong” on anything. Kindly respond to the points I made regarding inflation and nullsec anomaly ratting maintaining high security status. ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/44 "2023-09-25T07:52:52Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > Not sure i agree with that but crowds have been wrong before True. Crowds have been wrong before. Let me examine your proposal… > [@Wesfahrn](#): > > What if you got passive income if you had a high security status? Like low income residents getting government help? Like Welfare?? Nope. Bad idea. 👎 ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/45 "2023-09-25T08:38:40Z")
Folks who pve in high sec or just travel to moons killing rats dont need anymore passive income than they already get. There are ingame mechanics already available to raise sec status. Tags and or shoot rats in high sec Im at 5.0 and i already get passive income due to my “job” as a USIA member. I dont believe i just should get passive income because i been “good” nor should i get it if i was evil and decide to hide out for an indeterminate time frame. If i was to do the work and shoot rats to redeem my name or turn in tags that is fine ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/46 "2023-09-26T15:08:32Z")
So all in all there is no point in having a high sec status and people who take the time to respond seems to think there shouldn’t be one. Is this the ideas forum? ---
**Author:** ![Zedva\_Operati](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zedva_operati/32/388608_2.png) [@Zedva\_Operati](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zedva_Operati)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/47 "2023-09-30T06:15:57Z")
Security status changes if other players can shoot you in hisec right? And faction standings change if the faction police/navy can shoot you, they change two completely different things, so if you were gonna make sec status be the one that matters in hi sec for both if players can shoot you, and if faction police and navies can shoot you, then why would faction standings exist? ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/48 "2023-09-30T21:12:47Z")
So i think you asking the wrong question because faction standings are used to gain access to more lucrative missions and i also believe it lowers the amount of tax and and what not when using market in that given factions station. Or at least it used to iirc. But Why does faction police exist when CONCORD already exists? From a player perspective i can tell you it does not feel rewarding to be locked into one area of high space due to faction standings. And it would be a breath of fresh air if Security Status trumped Faction Standings when it came to being hunted by faction police assuming you are not at war with the given faction. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/49 "2023-10-02T17:40:01Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > Why does faction police exist when CONCORD already exists? Because they dont work the same way. CONCORD strictly punishes anyone who commits a crime. You cannot attack CONCORD. Faction police and faction navy are two separate entities from themselves and CONCORD. You can also attack and destroy facpo and facnav > [@Wesfahrn](#): > > faction standings are used to gain access to more lucrative missions What? Faction standings are to give you access to ALL corporation missions. So if you have 5.00 effective with Cal state, you can do all missions up to level 4 for every corporation regardless of corp standing. Its also useful for FW when you get up to 8 or 9 standings. > [@Wesfahrn](#): > > also believe it lowers the amount of tax and and what not when using market in that given factions station. Or at least it used to iirc. Just one part of this is faction. You must have corp standings to have the lowest possible of 1% for broker fees. If you just get faction standings you’ll only be at 1.2% with max faction **BASE** standings ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/50 "2023-10-05T12:11:20Z")
What if all standings trended toward 0 over time? Even faction and NPC corp standings? This would keep things going. Can also introduce a new skill that slows standings decay down. And then to throw players a bone when its introduced, faction and corp standing increases from all activities can be permanently increased. Thats a great idea. ---
**Author:** ![Lesican](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lesican/32/448285_2.png) [@Lesican](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lesican)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/51 "2023-10-05T12:36:41Z")
I’d like to see a system like jump fatigue added to posting on the forum ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/52 "2023-10-05T12:37:48Z")
Why? Post must be 5 characters ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/54 "2023-10-05T12:58:29Z")
I read everyones threads and comments and i enjoy them ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/55 "2023-10-05T20:00:14Z")
People take breaks from eve for a variety of reasons. You want them to come back and find all their standings reset and they have to grind them up again? How about: NO? ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/56 "2023-10-05T20:08:26Z")
> You want them to come back and find all their standings reset and they have to grind them up again? What else are they going to do when they return? ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/57 "2023-10-05T20:14:08Z")
Do people support rich traders having to “grind standings” once to get cheapest broker fees, or do they support it becoming something that needs to be done every now and then ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-having-a-high-security-status/413554/58 "2024-01-03T20:14:10Z")
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