# What is this game anymore **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 13, 2021, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157 "2021-06-13T22:13:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![cichee420](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cichee420/32/277348_2.png) [@cichee420](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/cichee420)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2021, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/21 "2021-06-13T23:27:55Z")
Lol so now instead of debating what’s at hand like an adult we’re gonna go find ■■■■ to get mad at like a child. Again just responding to what you THINK I’m saying and not what I’m actually saying, Fly safe. Which you will cause you don’t have the stones to actually go Lowsec. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/astelon_bheskagor/32/360222_2.png) [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Astelon_Bheskagor)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2021, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/22 "2021-06-13T23:30:31Z")
There’s nothing to debate on this rant and river of tears of yours. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2021, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/23 "2021-06-13T23:36:20Z")
Miner, calm down… ![logo](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/a/6ab7549dd175c60ea4b2f98f70cbd59775c072bb.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2021, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/24 "2021-06-13T23:37:24Z")
It’s not CCP’s fault that the current generation of gamers have the patience and attention span of a potato… ---
**Author:** ![cichee420](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cichee420/32/277348_2.png) [@cichee420](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/cichee420)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2021, 11:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/25 "2021-06-13T23:42:32Z")
When’s the last time you’ve played the game outside of a station my guy? Why people tell others what to do on ■■■■ they don’t even know what’s going on will never make sense to me. If the attention span of a potato spans over 13 years then we seriously need to find something else to equate idiots to. I’m not telling you how to lowsec, don’t tell me how to mine. ---
**Author:** ![Sysko\_Sanford](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sysko_sanford/32/277367_2.png) [@Sysko\_Sanford](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sysko_Sanford)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2021, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/26 "2021-06-13T23:51:48Z")
> [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](#): > > They haven’t took or allowed anything , people just speculated on a opportunity , active people that actually play the game and login. Actually, they mirror the game server to Singularity to test changes. Since most people do not play on the test server, when they tested the Abandoned state for POS most POS’s were left without fuel. When those POS stations went off line they could be destoyed to see what was in them because the items in the station had also been mirrored. So when the updates went live people had information they had no in game way of knowing to exploit, and that the people who had left things in the station thought were protected by asset safety that they had paid for. This was a trillions of isk gift to null sec and pirate alliances that would have easily been avoided by simply grandfathering items in POS stations until the player’s next log on at that station or the destination station. > **[EVE Evolved: EVE Online’s asset safety bait and switch was a colossal mistake...](https://massivelyop.com/2020/06/14/eve-evolved-eve-onlines-asset-safety-bait-and-switch/)** > [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](#): > > It had to be done . It encourages risk vs. reward play style, movement and less bot like behavior . Just like when removing the static ice fields was good for the game. > > As for the asset safety changes in the past , people have been warned and if they really cared they had plenty of time and tools to save their assets. No, what it does is force people who are primarily high sec to have to aquire and learn a whole list of ship and weapons skills they had not needed before in order to continue to play the game, while forcing those in Low and Null sec to essentially have to learn Mining Barges, which can be done in about a week. Then those same high sec people with inadequate skills and incomplete game knowledge to have to venture into low and null sec and deal with people who have been fighting amongst themselves for a decade with high end ships and fittings and skills to match. Before the switch. 70% of the basic minerals was available in high sec, meaning you had to pay up to buy Zyd and Mega off the market or strap on a frigate and make a break for it. After the switch 42% of the basic minerals are available in high sec, and in some sections even less than that, meaning that smaller miner/producers have essentially be put out of business. Coupled with the planetary mineral/moon goo requirements for any Battleship or above, very much limits the isk one can make to be able to afford the skills and risk venturing underprepared into low and null sec. Eve has always been a risk vs. reward game. You don’t fly what you can’t afford to lose has been a cardinal rule of eve for over 15 years. What they did was completely upend that calculation in a way that favors people who are in .4 space and below without making adjustments to balance it, at least that I have seen. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2021, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/27 "2021-06-13T23:55:51Z")
> [@cichee420](#): > > But frankly some days after getting yelled at by my boss I just want to come home and Zen out on a belt and not get harassed. And last couple of years this has become more and more difficult due to things completely outside of my control. Have you tried the available ingame options like chosing the right ship an fitting it correctly to make yourself less of a target? Because that is completely possible. If you don’t know how just ask. ---
**Author:** ![Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/astelon_bheskagor/32/360222_2.png) [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Astelon_Bheskagor)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2021, 11:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/28 "2021-06-13T23:58:02Z")
Plot twist: His boss plays Eve as suicide ganker. ---
**Author:** ![cichee420](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cichee420/32/277348_2.png) [@cichee420](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/cichee420)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/29 "2021-06-14T00:02:44Z")
Yeah I run procurers and even fit some shields on them when I don’t want to screw with it, but the procurers last I played were 12M per ship and now they’re 50M. You already had pirates that would blow you up anyways for the fun, now the isk is there too. Thank you for being cool and offering info. ---
**Author:** ![cichee420](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cichee420/32/277348_2.png) [@cichee420](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/cichee420)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/30 "2021-06-14T00:03:17Z")
100% wouldn’t surprise me, he is that kind of an asshole lol ---
**Author:** ![eEeEeeeEeeeeEeeE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee/32/268419_2.png) [@eEeEeeeEeeeeEeeE](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/eEeEeeeEeeeeEeeE)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/31 "2021-06-14T00:03:38Z")
first rant ive ever read here that isnt a bunch of “oh boo hoo i lost my 3bil bling blong thunderchild”…still dont like people ranting i just like how u didnt cry a river a tears…rather a smol puddle of tears and lots of salt ---
**Author:** ![cichee420](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cichee420/32/277348_2.png) [@cichee420](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/cichee420)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/33 "2021-06-14T00:07:43Z")
Losing ships is just a part of eve, I’ve lost more ships being a dumbass with Rats than I have vs actual pirates. There is salt you’re right but I feel justified in the amount applied. ---
**Author:** ![Mara\_Pahrdi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mara_pahrdi/32/277369_2.png) [@Mara\_Pahrdi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mara_Pahrdi)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 12:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/34 "2021-06-14T00:09:03Z")
> [@cichee420](#): > > TL;DR: _The game has changed dramatically over the last 2 years for an industry main_ It’s been going on for more than that really. But yes. Everything I have liked doing in EVE in the last years, has become more and more complicated by the month rather than by the year. And it got ever more time consuming. A lot more. For some time I considered switching to less time consuming activities, but they just didn’t feel like being decent replacement. So looking back at RL in 2020, it was a good decision to callt it quits. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/35 "2021-06-14T00:13:40Z")
Tears falling on deaf ears… Meh. 🍿 ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/36 "2021-06-14T00:14:51Z")
Personally, I don’t care what they change. I always find a reason to log in. There’s always something to do. ---
**Author:** ![cichee420](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cichee420/32/277348_2.png) [@cichee420](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/cichee420)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/37 "2021-06-14T00:15:27Z")
That’s true, but like everything else takes time to get into and do and that’s kinda half the complaint here. ---
**Author:** ![cichee420](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cichee420/32/277348_2.png) [@cichee420](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/cichee420)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/38 "2021-06-14T00:15:59Z")
Not my fault you’re deaf 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![cichee420](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cichee420/32/277348_2.png) [@cichee420](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/cichee420)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/39 "2021-06-14T00:17:53Z")
Yeah man, Wish I could say you were wrong. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/40 "2021-06-14T00:17:53Z")
How long you been around? Get used to CCP deaf ears… ---
**Author:** ![cichee420](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cichee420/32/277348_2.png) [@cichee420](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/cichee420)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/41 "2021-06-14T00:19:05Z")
Not wrong, got a whole player council and for what 🙄 but you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157.md?page=3)