# What is this game anymore **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 13, 2021, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157 "2021-06-13T22:13:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 1:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/63 "2021-06-14T01:30:24Z")
Just read that **Goonswarm Federation** has Members: 29032 If those are mostly active then that would be crazy and I don’t even think Black-Frog could freight out if you’re removed from their safety umbrella. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 1:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/64 "2021-06-14T01:34:57Z")
The bot’s win. All farmers rejoice! Who said Goon’s were dead? ---
**Author:** ![cichee420](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cichee420/32/277348_2.png) [@cichee420](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/cichee420)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/65 "2021-06-14T01:35:56Z")
Probably several alts, but even still as much as Goons irritate the living ■■■■ out of me I take nothing away from their skill as pilots. Which is why it’s so much more frustrating when they choose to gank miners but that’s another topic lol. 500k active daily players and probably half of them are alts/bots so they’re at least 10% of activity on the game I’d say. Huge when you’re talking half a million players. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/66 "2021-06-14T01:43:11Z")
It’s not Goon’s fault they try to break the game. It’s CCp’s fault for letting them. But since they pay the bills… what do you want CCP to do about it? Bring the game back up to 50/60k players again? 😏 ---
**Author:** ![cichee420](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cichee420/32/277348_2.png) [@cichee420](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/cichee420)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/67 "2021-06-14T01:48:28Z")
God no lol like I said earlier CCP up until the last 2yrs should’ve been paid more than what they got over the years for putting up with this game. May have even prevented the P2W aspects from creeping in, but I wish something creative would be done to at least curb it a little. My buddy and I talk about player set taxes against specific alliances and corps. You piss us off, that’s fine, you & your alliance pay 50% extra to buy from us. Obviously, make an alt and just do it that way but it’s still another hoop. How bad do you want it? No Idea how practical that would be, but you get the point lol ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/68 "2021-06-14T01:51:42Z")
> [@cichee420](#): > > but you get the point lol Yes I do, strange days indeed… [NOBODY TOLD ME. (Ultimate Mix, 2020) - John Lennon (official music video HD) - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuuhsqA95iA) ---
**Author:** ![Bonny\_Lee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bonny_lee/32/248223_2.png) [@Bonny\_Lee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bonny_Lee)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 6:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/69 "2021-06-14T06:27:17Z")
> [@Kato\_Szafarchek](#): > > There’s thousands of other games out there now. It doesn’t really matter if they’re not the same style of gameplay as EVE, if a game isn’t fun anymore, there’s many alternatives to use instead. Tell me one 😉 There is no game like eve. Sure i could play wow, fortnite or something else. But i already do this and still eve has no contender. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/70 "2021-06-14T07:14:20Z")
> [@cichee420](#): > > Yeah I run procurers and even fit some shields on them when I don’t want to screw with it, but the procurers last I played were 12M per ship and now they’re 50M. You already had pirates that would blow you up anyways for the fun, now the isk is there too. Thank you for being cool and offering info. You lost a Procurer in Highsec to a suicide gank? Maybe the fitting was not optimal. You can tank that thing so you will need a fleet of ships that costs a multiple of the Procurer. ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/71 "2021-06-14T10:03:02Z")
> [@Sysko\_Sanford](#): > > Says a dude who just sits at the gate of Uedama and pops freighters and haulers on their way to and from Jita. So guy can’t have an opinion because he plays the game. You really , really can not get a point across on these forums. Please outline the game play mechanics that are accepted precursors prior to expressing an opinion? I pretty much agree with OP. No one knows what Eve is anymore except for the opinionated mouth pieces you find on these forums and the CSM Fanbois. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/72 "2021-06-14T10:14:48Z")
if you do quit how about giving the stuff to.a fellow addicted industrialist? xD ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/73 "2021-06-14T10:17:35Z")
> [@Kato\_Szafarchek](#): > > No, this isn’t incompetent devs. They clearly have a set long-term goal in mind. sell plex ---
**Author:** ![Gretek\_Moergyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gretek_moergyn/32/379137_2.png) [@Gretek\_Moergyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gretek_Moergyn)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/75 "2021-06-14T11:11:25Z")
> [@cichee420](#): > > I’m not telling you how to lowsec, don’t tell me how to mine. Well said. ---
**Author:** ![Adunh\_Slavy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adunh_slavy/32/265310_2.png) [@Adunh\_Slavy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adunh_Slavy)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/76 "2021-06-14T11:41:10Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > It’s not CCP’s fault that the current generation of gamers have the patience and attention span of a potato… I think potatoes have a longer attention span. Have you ever tried sitting on the kitchen counter for two weeks until green shoots sprout from you? It’s boring! ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/77 "2021-06-14T12:56:00Z")
> [@cichee420](#): > > Brokers Fee’s to mod orders up to the 10% profit you’re buying and selling at, Inflating the market. > _(Thanks botters)_ Made trading more strategic. One of the best things CCP ever did. The opposite of ‘dumbing-down.’ > [@cichee420](#): > > Moon Goo from 2B sitting duck Athanors are required for basic BP’s (_For insight I’m in a 8 man corp that half are alts and all but 2 are industry based, so defending these from Goons is unlikely_). Battleships are not basic BP’s. Structures are meant to be an achievement. > [@cichee420](#): > > Swapped a good chunk of reprocessed goods to low sec making it difficult to operate on mining/industry in high sec alone outside of the occasional wormhole/anomaly because “losses should hurt” (_haven’t really had one yet that didn’t, do you play your own game?_) That was the point. To encourage interaction and trade. Tldr: Before these changes you had it good. **Too** good. And the game was suffering because of over productivity and lack of destruction. It was boring and retention was so low the devs themselves referred to it as ‘hemorrhage’. The new industry style is rewarding risk taking and thoughtful gameplay. And that’s what eve needs. If that’s not your kind of thing, then vote with your feet. ---
**Author:** ![Ocean\_Ormand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ocean_ormand/32/206896_2.png) [@Ocean\_Ormand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ocean_Ormand)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/78 "2021-06-14T13:22:43Z")
> [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](#): > > Any time on video games, is wasted time. > > Now about the game , it has never been so well . Emergent game play and situational awareness is encouraged and rewarding as never before . We have never had such talented DEVs and dedicated CSM . > > Can you adapt ,or can I please have your stuff ? I agree, video game time is wasted time. But as far as I am concerned eve has never been in a worse position. Years and years of CCP chipping away at core game play to make it more and more casual has taken its toll. Emergent game play and situational awareness are no longer seriously encouraged or rewarded. Instead, you get instance zones, scripted content and rules telling you that its not nice to play their events in a way they didnt plan for. Eve has never been more theme park then it is now. The sandbox is no longer encouraged or fed. If only there was classic eve from say 2010, I would be there in a second. Even if it meant starting over and leaving all the isk and sp behind. ---
**Author:** ![Hazen\_Koraka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hazen_koraka/32/395218_2.png) [@Hazen\_Koraka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hazen_Koraka)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/79 "2021-06-14T15:08:12Z")
> [@cichee420](#): > > First things first just to curb the shitposters, I’ve been playing this game since I was 12 back in 2008 and I am fully aware and understand the lethality of this game. Not sure if the OP is serious. For once, the EULA states that the minimum age to play EVE via an account is 14 years if I’m not mistaken? Could be 13? But definately not 12. So whatever was written after that, I took with a massive dose of 🧂 ---
**Author:** ![Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/astelon_bheskagor/32/360222_2.png) [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Astelon_Bheskagor)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/80 "2021-06-14T15:31:48Z")
Calm down miner ! It is not as simple as you think it is . I’ll indulge you and explain things you do not know. Popping haulers and taking their stuff is serious business . You have to scan them on their route for fit and cargo , then decide the number and type of ships to use in the gank , based on those scannings . Probe them on the gate and/or bump fit needed , gank them and then secure the loot (multiple ways in doing this depending on the situation and amount of m3 of loot). As you can see , it’s not just sitting there (like you miner sit in a belt) and it does require situational awareness . This is elite PvP ! Btw , Uedama is a VIP system , the CSM memebers like @Brisc_Rubal, @Innominate honor us with their presence: > **[Obelisk | ZigZagMon | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/93381441/)** > > ZigZagMon (seventh holding) lost their Obelisk in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by Alleil Pollard (Krigmakt Elite) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 3,478,814,194.75 ISK > **[Obelisk | Kuckles NeedCrackin | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/93380414/)** > > Kuckles NeedCrackin (Drone Orphanage) lost their Obelisk in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by Klavas (KarmaFleet) flying in a Coercer. Total Value: 4,149,110,943.63 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Kato\_Szafarchek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kato_szafarchek/32/431271_2.png) [@Kato\_Szafarchek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kato_Szafarchek)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/81 "2021-06-14T18:17:05Z")
You mean all that stuff that’s been calculated to an exacting science? Very tough work indeed. As “elite” of a pvp as clubbing a baby seal. ---
**Author:** ![Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/astelon_bheskagor/32/360222_2.png) [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Astelon_Bheskagor)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/82 "2021-06-14T18:20:52Z")
Not everyone can pull this off . It’s just like animal porn … it’s not for everybody ! I can understand your frustration. ---
**Author:** ![Yahamssi\_Judihuijj](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yahamssi_judihuijj/32/392777_2.png) [@Yahamssi\_Judihuijj](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yahamssi_Judihuijj)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/83 "2021-06-14T18:35:33Z")
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