# What is this game anymore **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 13, 2021, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157 "2021-06-13T22:13:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Kato\_Szafarchek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kato_szafarchek/32/431271_2.png) [@Kato\_Szafarchek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kato_Szafarchek)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/84 "2021-06-14T18:38:58Z")
Bud, I live in nullsec, haven’t touched hi-sec in a very long time. Hell, my last ‘loss’ in hisec was in march of 2019 (some depot I lost and forgot about). Suicide ganking in hisec’s gotten to an exacting science where so long as you follow the formula, you’re almost guaranteed a kill and whatever loot survived the explosion. Elite pvp? No. You’re not pitting your ship, skills, and wits vs like-minded combatants. You’re not risking your ship (and capsule) straying into enemy territory, seeking out fame and glory, only to be hunted like some mangy fox by a mob of some very angry residents. As annoying as such raiders can be, I’ll respect their willingness to put their ships at risk by stepping into somebody’s backyard. Who I have no respect for are wardeccers. They’re the ultimate carebear version of pvp. Now, suicide ganking as elite Piracy? I will 100% get behind that. No warning (wardec). Very effective. Very Deadly. ---
**Author:** ![Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/astelon_bheskagor/32/360222_2.png) [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Astelon_Bheskagor)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/85 "2021-06-14T18:41:32Z")
I understand . You have "powerful friends in nullsec " . ---
**Author:** ![Kato\_Szafarchek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kato_szafarchek/32/431271_2.png) [@Kato\_Szafarchek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kato_Szafarchek)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/86 "2021-06-14T19:38:32Z")
I think I’ll just respond with this [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/b/1b86bd0d2b924fcf9c130553112e83910ba24e8e.jpeg "Argument") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpAvcGcEc0k) ---
**Author:** ![Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/astelon_bheskagor/32/360222_2.png) [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Astelon_Bheskagor)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/87 "2021-06-14T19:40:45Z")
Calm down miner. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/88 "2021-06-14T21:29:43Z")
Ooh, boy. Lots of things to unpack here. > [@cichee420](#): > > Well the skill injectors were just Ironic cause I remember the Monocle Debacle where they swore up and down P2W wasn’t what they were after (_and lets talk about how P2W it is that the higher in SP you get the less the Injectors give you when all the skills that are left take 2x-5x more SP, sucks to be an OG pilot ig_) People say this, because they forgot about character bazaar. Character bazaar has been a thing for a very long time, and you could always go out and buy a 120 million skillpoint character. This really wasnt any different than buying skill injectors. > [@cichee420](#): > > Brokers Fee’s to mod orders up to the 10% profit you’re buying and selling at, Inflating the market. Theyve become cheaper, thanks to player owned stations, actually. The only difference is, you cant go around changing your orders over and over again. You have to commit to the price you list, or dont commit at all and sell directly. It got rid of the 0.01 isk wars, so i cant really complain. > [@cichee420](#): > > - Swapped a good chunk of reprocessed goods to low sec making it difficult to operate on mining/industry in high sec alone outside of the occasional wormhole/anomaly because “losses should hurt” (_haven’t really had one yet that didn’t, do you play your own game?_) There was always an aspect of minerals that were almost never available in hisec outside of anomalies. This has never changed. What did change, was that the more common ores were taken out of nullsec, making regular ores like veldspar more valuable. So net benefit has stayed the same. > [@cichee420](#): > > - Now taking a bunch of then Carebares and forcing them to try their hand at lowsec mining where the people who have lowseced for **years** smash many an attempt and then laugh at you for trying. Maybe you should join a corp that has ties to lowsec? Maybe you should group together and defend your own assets while being in lowsec? Or, maybe you should just either sell your ore directly or buy the lacking minerals like every industrial has done because all minerals for all ships have never existed exclusively in hisec before, either. > [@cichee420](#): > > - > - Can’t get the required rss for basic ships w/o buying and/or losing your ass trying is just a double whammy, inflating the market. inflated market means whatever you sell is also inflated, including manufactured goods. Market will and has adjusted. Just because you suck at math doesnt mean the game is borked. > [@cichee420](#): > > - Meanwhile a vast percentage of null sec is unexplored/unclaimed because pirates are to busy abusing people in highsec or on the border of lowsec, that don’t have the skill or will to fight back. What does this even mean. Do you know how easy it is to travel from hisec to nullsec? Last time i checked, you cant bubble in lowsec, and you can still fit a \>1 second align interceptor. > [@cichee420](#): > > And for the people that were brave enough to venture out into that void and set themselves up you took away their assets by removing safety on afk stations and allowing these pirates to become multi **trillionaires** over night. Then dont afk. We already know this, this isnt a surprise anymore, so if youre planning on afking in nullsec, take your stuff with you or asset safety it out first. Why is this a negative? it was shocking when it was first introduced, but now everyone knows about it, so its not a big deal anymore. > [@cichee420](#): > > What a slap in the face of anybody that’s played this game for any stint of time and had to step away cause your game pissed them off or life happened. If the game pissed you off and you left, well, thats your own fault. And if life happened and you had to step away, why are you angry? Life happens, its more important than a video game. If your dad had a heart attack while you were in the middle of a fight, and stepping away meant your Titan would die, would you be angry that the game forced you to lose your ship because of real life? How stupid is that? > [@cichee420](#): > > Takes me years to come back to this game sometimes and 1 week is all trillions of dollars was worth? There are people in this game that haven’t seen that number in their life time (yes my 13yrs included; didn’t even happen to me, I was just so dumbfounded when I heard about that). I dont even understand what this means. > [@cichee420](#): > > But hey, if I did sell him and wanted to play again later I could always just come back and drop a grand on skill injectors and catch up right? You mean like how you could drop a grand in plex and buy a character from the character bazaar? > [@cichee420](#): > > What a joke. The only joke here is your IQ. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/89 "2021-06-14T21:33:32Z")
> [@Kato\_Szafarchek](#): > > Now, suicide ganking as elite Piracy? I will 100% get behind that. No warning (wardec). Very effective. Very Deadly. Whats the difference between elite piracy and elite PVP? PVP just means “player versus player”. If youre agreeing that its elite, then its still elite PVP. ---
**Author:** ![Edmorte\_Fehrnah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/edmorte_fehrnah/32/251868_2.png) [@Edmorte\_Fehrnah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Edmorte_Fehrnah)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/90 "2021-06-14T22:16:19Z")
1 - Wasted time? Of course; 2 - I gonna resume, for real I did not read your post entirely, but looks like CCP got all good ideas and wrong solutions; 2.1 - Serenity 2.0; 2.2 - CSM is a joke, I got to agree with Aiko’s post, CSM is some “outsourcing” of customer support, they use CSM as a shield and in exchange they let CSMs talk on their ears, when they are lost they listen to CSM; 2.3 - Everything is about Null sec; 2.3.1 - If there’s a war, everything is about the war; 2.4 - read 2.3; 2.5 - For real, read 2.3; 3 - Stop playing now if you think EVE is going anywhere, COVID already gave EVE a second chance, I doubt another one is coming. If you make passive ISK like 80% of people that talk big, then keep playing and welping stuff you put no effort to acquire and brag about PvP; 4 - Dunno, do something random in RL; 5 - realize you never had any fun for a long time, it’s just routine; 6 - WIN; End. ---
**Author:** ![Supreme\_Leader\_JarJarBinks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/supreme_leader_jarjarbinks/32/275877_2.png) [@Supreme\_Leader\_JarJarBinks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Supreme_Leader_JarJarBinks)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/91 "2021-06-14T22:34:15Z")
Adapt or die (Ingame) ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/92 "2021-06-15T01:48:55Z")
> [@Kato\_Szafarchek](#): > > haven’t touched hi-sec in a very long time yet proceeds to lecture everyone… ---
**Author:** ![Kato\_Szafarchek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kato_szafarchek/32/431271_2.png) [@Kato\_Szafarchek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kato_Szafarchek)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/93 "2021-06-15T10:55:12Z")
Your name’s also Astelon? Huh, I didn’t know you had a twin. ---
**Author:** ![Kato\_Szafarchek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kato_szafarchek/32/431271_2.png) [@Kato\_Szafarchek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kato_Szafarchek)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/94 "2021-06-15T11:08:37Z")
Now we could get into a long debate over what defines PVP in EVE. I know some of the more rabid folks will argue endlessly that me sitting in a station managing my PI colonies is somehow “pvp” (whatever definition that’s supposed to be). I can categorize piracy as a specialist form of pvp that’s almost exclusive to hi-sec, since unlike the raider in nullsec who’s usual modus operandi is to attack the first perceived weak ship (be it a mining ship, ratter, hauler or other) it finds, pirates are usually out to profit against the weak and gullible who think that hisec is safe sec. If you can find the formula that min/maxes your profits from ganking ships in hisec, congrats. When I hear ‘Elite PVP’ in EVE, my first thought are the alliance tournament-like guys. Those players who don’t just go out raiding helpless ships but will also go tango with the response fleet as well, and come out on top most of the time. This doesn’t include those duel baiters in hisec. They’re trying to rig the system to maximize their chance of winning. No, these players are the ones who willingly fly into dangerous territory with little knowledge ahead of time, fight enemy response fleets, and somehow come out on top, if not in survival, in simply causing more isk loss than he received. I’ve watched them in battle, and I’ve gone against them in response fleets, and those are some scary good players. They tend to be cocky but at the same time they sort of earned the right to be. ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/95 "2021-06-15T11:27:46Z")
> [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](#): > > elite PvP > [@Kato\_Szafarchek](#): > > Elite pvp? > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > elite PVP [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/8/c/08c1404ba3c6a39e0eab15b4c06a8277c22b3520.jpeg "EVE Solo PVP: Vexor Navy Issue 1v7") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ3AIodWJUA) ---
**Author:** ![Shea\_Tzestu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shea_tzestu/32/263279_2.png) [@Shea\_Tzestu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shea_Tzestu)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/96 "2021-06-15T11:42:27Z")
For someone claiming to be an industry main you talk a lot about plex price in $’'s. If your industry account is not plexed with ISK stop doing industry, you are running at -ISK phr. Instead just buy plex for $ and sell directly for ISK. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/97 "2021-06-15T13:00:30Z")
> [@cichee420](#): > > TL;DR: _The game has changed dramatically over the last 2 years for an industry main and has me contemplating if 13yrs of my time was wasted or not._ Man you know you’re in for an extra dumb read when the wall of text opens with the suggestion that time previously spent playing (and presumably enjoying) a game becomes a “waste” if, at some point, you stop enjoying the game. > _And to those just saying get good, it’s an 80M SP character with enough in the way of combat as he has Industry. I can do both, I just shouldn’t be forced to._ When they said “git gud” they weren’t talking about the _character_. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/98 "2021-06-15T20:00:25Z")
> **What is this game anymore** A miserable little pile of spaceships. –Gadget Knows ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/99 "2021-06-15T20:44:01Z")
> [@Astelon\_Bheskagor](#): > > The DEVs right now are working on something monumental Like what? And how do you know that? ---
**Author:** ![Perkele\_Penken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/perkele_penken/32/277541_2.png) [@Perkele\_Penken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Perkele_Penken)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/100 "2021-06-15T21:11:30Z")
Elite PvP: [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3FpIyNo6tM) ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/101 "2021-06-15T21:20:31Z")
> [@Kato\_Szafarchek](#): > > When I hear ‘Elite PVP’ in EVE, my first thought are the alliance tournament-like guys. Those players who don’t just go out raiding helpless ships but will also go tango with the response fleet as well, and come out on top most of the time. This doesn’t include those duel baiters in hisec. They’re trying to rig the system to maximize their chance of winning. No, these players are the ones who willingly fly into dangerous territory with little knowledge ahead of time, fight enemy response fleets, and somehow come out on top, if not in survival, in simply causing more isk loss than he received. I’ve watched them in battle, and I’ve gone against them in response fleets, and those are some scary good players. They tend to be cocky but at the same time they sort of earned the right to be. Sure, but this is just your personal opinion. In the end, words have meaning, and you can say “I know that people say KFC is fried chicken, but I dont consider KFC to be chicken. Its fried, but it isnt chicken”, but the facts are simple. Its still chicken, by any definition, and if you concede that it is fried, then yes, it is fried chicken. PVP is defined as, quite literally, player versus player. And if youre ganking another player, then you are in direct conflict with another player, as direct as you possibly can be in this game. You can get away with saying “yeah, i dont know if PI is PVP”, but you cant get away with calling ganking as being anything other than PVP. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/102 "2021-06-15T21:23:17Z")
> [@Fale\_Einn](#): > > Like what? Concord going on strike, and therefore all ganking is now legal in hisec. > [@Fale\_Einn](#): > > And how do you know that? Hilmar is my son. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2021, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157/103 "2021-06-15T21:37:42Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Hilmar is my son. Stop having children!!! Oh, and while you at it toss the existing one into the nearest volcano. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Concord going on strike, and therefore all ganking is now legal in hisec. Oh holy crap that would be amazing. I wrote up a suggestion (which they ignored) for the CSM that everyone in Eve be drafted into their faction warfare militia but Concord going on strike could be just as good if not better. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-this-game-anymore/316157.md?page=6)