# What is your definition of PVP? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 12, 2024, 6:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399 "2024-02-12T06:33:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/42 "2024-02-12T19:08:10Z")
Too much investment required for even low level T1 engagements at BC and up. Fights are too quick. No time to even think. You’re either one-shot blapped at a gate camp or ganked by a roaming fleet. The only Player versus Player that really exists is indy ganking. That’s as close to 1v1 you will fine most of the time… and that’s nothing more than bullying for fun… and it just makes everything MORE expensive, going back to the investment. it’s a cycle of death for content and engagement and enjoyment. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/43 "2024-02-12T19:18:34Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > PvP was originally just the short form for “PvP _combat_”. I think you are making things up. I doubt you will provide any evidence to ‘prove’ that the original definition of PvP necessarily included the term “combat”. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > these are generally the same people that complain… “carebears” are “afraid” of PvP, Nobody is complaining about you being a carebear, but isn’t it true? Most miners are willing to undock and risk losing a ship, but carebears like you are too scared to even link your killboard, precisely because you are afraid. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > one of the targets doesn’t even have a weapon, that’s not “combat”. This sounds like ■■■■■■■■ (bs). Tell that to the millions of people who have died in real world conflicts, despite being unarmed, even though they were legally considered combatants. Look, it’s a Player vs Player game, a PvP game, and if you are too stupid to defend yourself, that’s because you are bad at PvP. It’s not because the other player did something wrong. Miners are legitimate targets, so you don’t need to keep whining for another decade. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/44 "2024-02-12T21:25:13Z")
I PvP on a very large scale ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/45 "2024-02-12T21:26:05Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Amusing…but you already know that’s nonsense. Undocking is _already_ consent to PvP and always has been. There is simply no such thing as ‘non consensual PvP’ in Eve. Thus there really is no problem to ‘fix’. I do not consent to being told what I know or do not know. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/46 "2024-02-12T23:59:23Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I do not consent to being told what I know or do not know. Get over it. You verbally undocked. And if you don’t know it…then you’re about the only person in the whole of Eve, including 0.001 second old noobs, who doesn’t. Can I have all your stuff, as all you ever seem to do lately is resort to posting BS that even you don’t really believe in. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/47 "2024-02-13T00:03:45Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > And if you don’t know it…then you’re about the only person in the whole of Eve, including 0.001 second old noobs, who doesn’t. You should do a survey and post your findings here. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Can I have all your stuff Why would I give you my stuff? All you’d ever do with it is transport it 70 million ISK at a time in your “fast-align Gnosis,” and sell it off to buy ammo to use for bashing abandoned structures with WM. I’d rather give it to someone like Aiko. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/48 "2024-02-13T00:22:39Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You should do a survey and post your findings here. After you. I mean…I have to see what ship you are flying first so I can undock something suitable to blap you in 1.0 space. Real PvP ! ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/49 "2024-02-13T00:30:27Z")
Why? I’m not the one going around making wild, histrionic claims like I have a bad case of inductive diarrhea. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/50 "2024-02-13T00:39:16Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I’m not the one going around making wild, histrionic claims like I have a bad case of inductive diarrhea. Seriously ?.. _" I think that the real issue with the “PvP” in the game is that there’s no way to signal to strangers that you’re a non-combatant. CCP needs to add some kind of feature to the game that would convey this message at a glance."_ You are clearly bored of Eve when your every post invoke’s Poe’s Law. Can I have all your stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 12:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/51 "2024-02-13T00:45:21Z")
English isn’t even my second language, but I’m still competent enough in it to understand that when someone says “I think that…” they’re not making anything that even remotely satisfies the textbook definition of a claim. ---
**Author:** ![Calamity\_Unleashed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/calamity_unleashed/32/413414_2.png) [@Calamity\_Unleashed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Calamity_Unleashed)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/52 "2024-02-13T01:25:26Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Well, what if the attacker in that scenario is doing it as a preventive measure because they’re concerned that you’ll attack them first? I would say that’s a reasonable concern It is. And so are quire a few other instances. Like this one: > [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > So I and my friends make dozens of dangerous jumps through wormholes and bubbled gates deep into enemy territory and destroy an enemy Rorq to try and slow their ship production. A poor, defenseless mining ship with nary a gun equipped, simply playing the game in peace and quiet. Is that the argument that that is NOT PvP? It is. The “defenseless” miner should be aware that he belongs to an organization at war. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > If you get a court case of ‘A versus B’ then A is attacking B and that does not automatically mean B is attacking A. So even the court system recognises ‘versus’ as one person being the plaintif or ‘attacker’ and another being the ‘defendant’. So everyone is “attacker” and “defendant” since ship loss is across the board, and in this case zKillboard. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 4:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/53 "2024-02-13T04:05:47Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > I know some of you are going to argue that mining, industry and selling and buying on the market is PVP but that definition doesn’t fit actual PVP games like Counter-Strike and Chess. You ask for our definition of pvp, then proceed to restrict how we can define pvp in terms of other games? Is this more of your alleged “Socratic Method”? Of course market pvp doesn’t fit the definition of pvp if you’re using the yardstick of a lobby style respawn shooter or a boardgame. EVE offers the ability to do many things that neither counterstrike nor Chess allow. A fundamental part of EVE is the ingame economy. Economic warfare is real in this game. It’s happened before and it’ll happen again. Three examples: 1: the Goons Ice Interdiction campaign. Ganking hisec ice miners to drive up the prices of the kinds of Ice goons were mining. 2: OTEC and the entire shenanigans around that. 3: Buying up every Muninn and Cerberus on the Jita market during the Rage eviction, causing Hard Knocks friends to overspend on ships to try and help defend with. Not sure if this was a deliberate, bloc level play or just some opportunistic traders seeing the chance to make a quick buck. All of these are examples of market pvp. Some are on a Corp level, some on a Bloc level and one on a “vs every non OTEC entity” level ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 5:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/54 "2024-02-13T05:04:08Z")
> [@Calamity\_Unleashed](#): > > So everyone is “attacker” and “defendant” since ship loss is across the board, and in this case zKillboard. I just find the entire discussion meaningless…like people pretending they don’t know that Eve has been ‘shoot first…aske questions later’ since day 1. I’m not sure there’s a semantics killboard to aim for, though some on this forum would probably come top of it. I’ll stick with the DPS. ---
**Author:** ![RGC\_Godfather](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rgc_godfather/32/433733_2.png) [@RGC\_Godfather](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RGC_Godfather)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 7:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/55 "2024-02-13T07:03:35Z")
Real pvp is between 2 or more semi consenting players killing each other in many glorious ways. For highsec its wars/FW or killing criminals or suspect/baiting activity. For lowsec/nullsec its just consenting by closing that little box the first time you jump into the system warning you of the dangers. Anything outside of that is predatory and shouldn’t be allowed in the game. That little warning you get jumping into low/null for the first time doesn’t pop up when simply undock for the first time meaning its not by design to be a dangerous in highsec. Several mmorpgs have designated areas for pvp and designated areas for no pvp. Eve by design seems to have loosely been based on the same concept while making it seem like we have more freedom with it but humans, like the plague we are, have found a way to ruin that. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/56 "2024-02-13T07:05:45Z")
My guy, quit the whining. It’s a PvP game. CCP allows ganking in Highsec. It’s not “predatory” or immoral, it’s intended gameplay (by design). If you don’t like it, maybe try Roblox? ---
**Author:** ![RGC\_Godfather](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rgc_godfather/32/433733_2.png) [@RGC\_Godfather](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RGC_Godfather)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/57 "2024-02-13T07:08:51Z")
the queen of the trash pit rears her ugly head! For someone who retired from the game you sure waste a lot of time on the forums ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/58 "2024-02-13T07:12:06Z")
xAxA Aiko got dUnKEd!1 ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/59 "2024-02-13T07:12:10Z")
Is this one of the new daily challenges ? Reply 5 times in one of these trash threads and receive free SP ? If only … CCPlease. Hey, OP, person of the many suggestions. Consider pitching this to the devs, to include replying to your thread spam as a daily challenge… P.S. make it worthwile, say 25,000. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/60 "2024-02-13T07:12:12Z")
Although I no longer play EvE Online, I am still allowed to post here. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/61 "2024-02-13T07:12:31Z")
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