# What is your definition of PVP? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 12, 2024, 6:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399 "2024-02-12T06:33:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/102 "2024-02-13T20:49:12Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Why not? Because it will wreck the eve economy. If hisec was 100%safe, they’ll need to drastically nerf hisec income streams. No more Incursions, lvl2 missions only, no ice mining, make belts 1/10th > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > No bang-bang in high, lots of NPC police pals in low, and dai dai lo making the rounds in the sovereign doughnut means a lot of happy little players enjoying the benefits of social harmony through peace and prosperity. You know that PIBC basically conquered Serenity and have no one left to fight, yuh? > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Overall player satisfaction there is _ **way** _ higher than it is on TQ Source? ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/103 "2024-02-13T21:06:41Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > The issue is clear. What part of ‘PvP means player versus player’ was too difficult to comprehend ? Okay, cool. So, 2 players mining an asteroid belt, each trying to grab more than the other guy = PvP. 2 players who never undock from Jita, each trying to buy lower and sell higher than the other guy = PvP. 2 players, arguing in channel about whether shield tanks are more useful than armor tanks… also PvP. Glad we got that straightened out. ---
**Author:** ![ooo\_so\_flashy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ooo_so_flashy/32/408039_2.png) [@ooo\_so\_flashy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ooo_so_flashy)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/104 "2024-02-13T21:47:50Z")
Imo all that is indeed player vs player interaction, so pvp, yes. However, most people think of pvp as in pvp combat, which involves at least one side wanting the destruction of a ship from the other side. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/105 "2024-02-13T21:51:53Z")
> [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > Because it will wreck the eve economy. The economy is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is CCP’s capacity to sell PLEX to its player base, and the only requirement for that is for something in the game to have value. It could be anything: ISK, Tritanium, Fedos, whatever. As long as players want something in the game that they’re willing to trade premium currency for, the economy would be fine; everything else is expendable. It really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things whether a Kestrel costs 300,000 ISK or 12,500,000 million ISK. > [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > You know that PIBC basically conquered Serenity and have no one left to fight, yuh? Yes, and players couldn’t be happier. > [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > Source? I’m a big non-PvP-variant safe EVE enjoyer. Grab an iPhone and download Echoes, we can go on a mining date! ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/106 "2024-02-13T22:15:08Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The economy is irrelevant. You wot, mate? The eve economy is the backbone of the game. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Yes, and players couldn’t be happier Then why does Fraternity have such a big presence on TQ? Fraternity are largely those who PIBC destroyed in Serenity. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Grab an iPhone and download Echoes, we can go on a mining date! I think I’d rather scoop my own eyeballs or with a rusty spoon. How about we grab some Catalysts and make a hulk go boom? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/107 "2024-02-13T22:30:13Z")
> [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > You wot, mate? > The eve economy is the backbone of the game. I disagree. It’s an important component of the game, but not the game’s _backbone._ You can have a game without a economy, but you can’t have an economy without a game (in gaming terms, of course). EVE would still work if players didn’t need to grind for marketable resources, on a principle similar to, say World of Tanks. But if the gameplay itself is shitty, then no one would bother logging in even if the economic simulation itself is immaculate, except for the small subset of the population that plays job simulator games on Steam. > [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > Then why does Fraternity have such a big presence on TQ? Fraternity are largely those who PIBC destroyed in Serenity. Well, one big reason is RMT, for which you need a stable empire if you _really_ want to pump those numbers. Did you know that in Chinese prisons adult educational facilities they use convicts students to grind in Western MMOs as a form of state-sanctioned slavery vocational training? I’ve talked about this a bit in my C&P thread. I’ve interacted with quite a few FRAT members, and it always felt like I was trying to talk to someone looking at 50 screens at once, or someone who was desperately trying to meet some kind of daily quota and couldn’t spend a second on pleasantries. > [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > How about we grab some Catalysts and make a hulk go boom? Sounds like you need therapy, my friend. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/108 "2024-02-13T23:35:59Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Sounds like you need therapy, my friend. I find making exhumers go boom to be very therapeutic. I don’t do it as often as I should. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/109 "2024-02-14T00:57:06Z")
Sounds like something pilot Sargon would say! Are you too buddies? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 2:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/110 "2024-02-14T02:28:43Z")
I think this thread ought to be part of a series…in which the next one is titled ’ How Many Angels Can Dance On A Pin Head ?’ Who knows…people might be able to come up with another 108 posts of meaningless semantics. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 4:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/111 "2024-02-14T04:45:21Z")
Even just 3 years ago we had dozens of active threads and thousands of posts every day in GD. Now it’s like 50 posts total on a good day. Be happy that anyone is talking about anything _at all._ ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/3/2/932ebd88f083fc716f4114a9e46687e3d420a992.png) Yikes. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 6:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/112 "2024-02-14T06:46:17Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Even just 3 years ago we had dozens of active threads and thousands of posts every day in GD. Now it’s like 50 posts total on a good day. Be happy that anyone is talking about anything _at all._ most EVE players post on Reddit these days, /r/eve is very active. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 6:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/113 "2024-02-14T06:46:47Z")
/r/eve is very unactive. ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/114 "2024-02-14T08:14:12Z")
Pfft. ---
**Author:** ![Gaur\_Kraita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaur_kraita/32/411098_2.png) [@Gaur\_Kraita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaur_Kraita)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/115 "2024-02-14T14:14:17Z")
You would actually trust someone with a sign? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/116 "2024-02-14T20:48:08Z")
Why would anyone lie about it? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2024, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-definition-of-pvp/439399/117 "2024-05-14T20:48:23Z")
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