# What is your Pi profit? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 24, 2019, 3:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384 "2019-11-24T03:31:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384/62 "2019-11-24T20:54:40Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > _NO_ value added. I’m sure your right, but I’m lazy and don’t like making a bunch of runs outta my WH. If I’m getting the same isk for less runs, that’s a win in my situation! 😀 ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384/63 "2019-11-24T20:56:17Z")
For instance I can make about 10,000 p3, but launder about 5,000 through a p4. So I’m effectively getting the profit of all my p3, and some more from the p4. But spread over two commodities markets. The value addition is negligible. Meaning turning the p3 into p4 in-of-itself won’t increase the profit. So it only works with p4 that’s already profitable. This concept can bail you out if the p3 market you’re in dumps before you sell. ---
**Author:** ![Oreb\_Wing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oreb_wing/32/170827_2.png) [@Oreb\_Wing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oreb_Wing)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384/64 "2019-11-24T20:58:40Z")
I can never lose, as I use everything I don’t sell. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384/65 "2019-11-24T20:58:55Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > If I’m getting the same isk for less runs, that’s a win in my situation Here it depends on scale and market competition. I had a frustrating week of trading out of Perimeter. So had a huge back-log. That’s how I thought of this strategy. If Jita continues to move much faster I’m basically just gonna throw in the towel and trade from Jita. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384/66 "2019-11-24T21:01:37Z")
> [@Oreb\_Wing](#): > > I can never lose, as I use everything I don’t sell This concept is addressed by opportunity cost. Whether life or game, if we enjoy how we spend the time then spending the money to do it is irrelevant. But if your goal is markets such as my goal then I need to be as flexible as possible, and consider that other methods raise opportunity costs against what I’m doing now. Basically I cant marry one commodity through what is known as _capital structure_. Having all ones infrastructure on barrens to build components for robotics for instance…locks one into the robotics market ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384/67 "2019-11-24T21:02:38Z")
That’s why I have 10 bil in storage. I have to wait to find a WH close to Jita before I bother to move the stuff just so it sells fast and I can pop back under my rock quickly. Which means I have to be in the game. ☹ 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384/68 "2019-11-24T21:03:46Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Which means I have to be in the game Do you use eve scouts to find w-holes? Also…I think the eve app on phone if tied to our server will change trading for sure…but not much else ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384/69 "2019-11-24T21:05:22Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > Having all ones infrastructure on barrens to build components for robotics for instance…locks one into the robotics market Very true, I suffer from that, but I’ve been gearing down to unsub and it was never more than a pastime in the game for me anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Oreb\_Wing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oreb_wing/32/170827_2.png) [@Oreb\_Wing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oreb_Wing)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384/70 "2019-11-24T21:05:47Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > Having all ones infrastructure on barrens to build components for robotics for instance…locks one into the robotics market Robotics is used for so many things. If robotics sells low, I just manufacture what is made by this component that is still selling high. Like I said. I can’t lose. My production isn’t just PI. Pi is just fuel for my war machines, and I can be generous and still make a profit. That gives me a lot of satisfaction which return in investment can’t reproduce. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384/71 "2019-11-24T21:07:26Z")
I keep most of my toons in a C2 WH that no one wants. I keep extra scouts in that bunch. I’m never locked out, so to speak. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384/72 "2019-11-24T21:08:39Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Very true, I suffer from that, but I’ve been gearing down to unsub and it was never more than a pastime in the game for me anyway. Bummers about the unsub. You seem interesting. But I never emphasize extreme efficiency for efficiency sake. For me that is the fun. Problem solving. For others just playing the game might be their goal. Not winning that extra % But _capital structure_ is an amazing real world concept. It’s exactly why Big Oil fights against Renewables instead of takes their side and buy in. Big oil is LOCKED into oil infrastructure. They physically CANNOT get into the solar/wind market without destroying their own capital. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384/73 "2019-11-24T21:19:37Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > But I never emphasize extreme efficiency for efficiency sake. For me that is the fun. Problem solving. I understand the desire for efficiency and the fun in solving hard problems! (I’m a Virgo) But I joined the game for PVP. As for unsubbing, (emits low moaning 🥴 ) Friday I received an invite from one of the original crew who wants to “get the band back together”. I will accept tonight. My wife is going to kill me. ---
**Author:** ![Giddy\_McFee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/giddy_mcfee/32/375711_2.png) [@Giddy\_McFee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Giddy_McFee)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384/74 "2019-11-24T21:45:56Z")
Some interesting posts there. part from a few single planet P2 I tend to make Rocket Fuel in order to make missles, so I actually use my P2 for making a T2 end product. However This is coming up with its own challenges in that things like Cruise, Torpedoes and Heavy missiles use a lot of rocket fuel per 10 runs and so I am alwasy sitting on a load of BPC rather and waiting on my Rocket Fuel to become available. @Oreb_Wing mentioned Coolant and I was thinking of maybe moving more into the PI that comes with citadels as there is such a proliferation sof them then Coolant maybe the way to go, Or use coolant to make an end product (ive not worked out figures yet though) ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 9:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384/75 "2019-11-24T21:48:43Z")
> [@Giddy\_McFee](#): > > However This is coming up with its own challenges in that things like Cruise, Torpedoes and Heavy missiles use a lot of rocket fuel per 10 runs and so I am alwasy sitting on a load of BPC rather and waiting on my Rocket Fuel to become available First can you make a post on making t2 rockets or such? I want to get into industry next. As for your pi problem. Focus on the most expensive component and produce ONLY that. Buy the cheapest. I know from Rocket fuel that the coolant is over priced but the other component is roughly fair. You probably want to mass coolant and buy the other. You arent saving much by stretching out your production times waiting for inputs. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384/76 "2019-11-24T21:49:19Z")
I like my PI on auto pilot, I setup to refresh extractors every 4 days and not pull results for weeks at a time. It’s a good low maint. income stream. Pays for ships. ---
**Author:** ![Giddy\_McFee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/giddy_mcfee/32/375711_2.png) [@Giddy\_McFee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Giddy_McFee)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384/77 "2019-11-24T22:04:39Z")
Rocket Fuel just needs Plasmoids and Electrolytes, not coolant. I see collant only goes in the 4 fuel block types with a ■■■■ load of other PI, some P4 so i dont think that is for me. Basically I buy the Morphite and the type of pulse generator i need (I could make more money buying all the reactionstuff for the pulse generators but that is effort I cannot be arsed with. The RAM is so cheap I consider it free by reprocessing the odds and sods I pick up in eve life. I make the Phenolic Composites and rocket fuel. All this in a WH and then once I get a close connection to Jita take it there and drop feed it on the market ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384/78 "2019-11-24T22:33:06Z")
> [@Giddy\_McFee](#): > > Rocket Fuel just needs Plasmoids and Electrolytes, not coolant This is why I shouldnt text and drive. You’ll have to give me some grace. A lot of my forum time is spent on road or at work. Lol. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384/79 "2019-11-24T22:37:25Z")
I dont know your specific numbers but make a ratio of your plasmoids:electrolytes. Then either split the cycles to fit that. Or continue with buying plasmoids in bulk and producing the electrolytes. Outside of a wormhole electrolytes in HS and some LS seem to be about 5% range if I recall. Pretty limiting. If you do the split base build I recommended elsewhere I bet you can up your output significantly running 2 EHs. Of course I havent harvested with CCU V so dont know how far the EHs can be pushed before you cap out on power and cpu. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384/80 "2019-11-24T23:01:17Z")
> [@Oreb\_Wing](#): > > How are you providing the inputs required to keep those factories churning? If you don’t pull your own low ends, you’ll have to figure in their cost by buying them from someone else. It will be considerable, unless you have a good dependable source. I have one such planet, i have other planets that feed to it. However, the input for that planet is 67.1mil of pi goods. All that can be bought on the market. The output is 106mil. So it’s just under 40mil per planet per day in just profit (not including taxes and fees). So, theoretically, i could swap my feeder planets for more of these planets and keep them supplied with stuff from the market. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384/81 "2019-11-24T23:03:06Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > So, theoretically, i could swap my feeder planets for more of these planets and keep them supplied with stuff from the market Are you feeding every input or are you not counting the feeder costs only purchased inputs? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-your-pi-profit/202384.md?page=5)