# What the hell are you meant to do **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 1, 2019, 5:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180 "2019-03-01T05:07:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180/21 "2019-03-01T18:44:28Z")
> [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > Epic arcs are indeed a bit more difficult There are some missions you would have to warp off in marauder, dps is so much. Of course if you could kill the scrambler in time. Some even branch out into low sec and null. From High sec. Penumbra is such an Epic Arc. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180/22 "2019-03-01T19:13:03Z")
Indeed. Then go back in a pod that npc will leave alone ready to make a booknark. Warp back at distance, kite them. Adapt as necessary. The null parts of penumbra are basically courier stuff that can easily be done in a cloaky, interceptor, or even yolo frigate/shuttle. ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Darine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rich_darine/32/438327_2.png) [@Rich\_Darine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rich_Darine)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180/23 "2019-03-01T19:21:10Z")
I mean, that’s why so many PVE boats are missile and drone based! Or you simply choose to run that fit against factiosn that have a different kind of EWAR. Sorry it happened man I hope you don’t quit over it. We all lose ■■■■ in stupid ways ---
**Author:** ![Whiskiz\_IronScrotum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whiskiz_ironscrotum/32/406697_2.png) [@Whiskiz\_IronScrotum](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whiskiz_IronScrotum)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180/24 "2019-03-01T21:49:08Z")
> [@Ms\_Steak](#): > > at 10km range webs/grappler are more effective than TCs. How exactly is halving non existant speed, on an afore mentioned enemy with non existant angular velocity, going to be more effective exactly? > [@Ms\_Steak](#): > > I find it ironic that a character with the name of “IronScrotum” capitulates after only one failure. I guess all the metal went to scrotum instead of balls. The only irony here is your comment being the Ms Steak > [@Cora\_Namoor](#): > > For that mission maybe warp in at range and snipe with sentries and ranged weapons or use missiles to negate the tracking disruption > [@meppa](#): > > 7 frigates/cruisers with old fashioned perma jam ecm didnt stop me from getting drones in to kill them while i was aligned way back when i was still missioning. Neither did perma damps restricting my lock range to 10km. > > I wouldnt personally go in level 4 without t2 mediums and all support drone skills atleast level 3 including interfacing. Meaning 5 medium t2 drones and a backup flight of 5 t2 lights. I didnt have drone sentries skilled nor even drone operation 5 and so a few of the rest of those. I also only had 25 mbit/s in the Apoca. Either way if the only way of being able to do the mission was being highly trained in drone skills with a drone specific ship, then it really was garbage. Thanks for the help still. > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > You should have used Armor hardeners mission specific, harden it double, large armor plate, and one repper. You would kill those pesky ships, and you would have time to do that. I was using all that, as i mentioned i had a good fit. i had the 2 50% specific hardeners, 1600mm plating and large armor rep. I was going to be upgrading to Navy Imperial 1600mm and Corpus X-type Armor Hardeners when i had the money too. > [@Ms\_Steak](#): > > not on alpha, restrictions on missile support skills are very severe. I am/was subbed. > [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > Warp back at distance, kite them I did that. I couldn’t hit anything close up - i had no chance kiting out 50km with such reduced damage because i was still Eward even out at that distance so this did not work either. I tried many different things. So when i looked at the debuff on-screen it had said “tracking disrupted” but it turned out it was turret “range” that was disrupted, not tracking. That, is why tracking boost was not working. I eventually figured this out by accident after hovering over my weapons while Ewar stacked and seeing the (new) optimal ranges pop up. Thanks for the misleading info CCP. Even still, with up to 3 on me at the same time, i had to use +40% range microwave ammo at around 6000m (instead of the usual 40km - 50km) because that was the new optimal range with Ewar stacks on me.. Still, you best believe i "approach"ed enemies at “500m” but in the end since i needed long range ammo, doing minimal damage when i woud actually be able to hit still, while sitting there 500m in a room so full of enemies (even with a proper fit) it was barely enough to kill the Cruisers before having to warp out, but then as mentioned i was being Eward by the Battleships also, all of a sudden. No chance of killing a Battleship in its face with long range ammo and a couple low skilled med drones, while everything else is pumping me. Garbage design. Garbage pilot and his skills too, but this specific design with not only Ewar spam (8+ enemies) but Ewar stacking, in a full room of elite Frigates Cruisers Battlecruisers and Battleships, more so. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180/25 "2019-03-01T22:16:32Z")
> [@Whiskiz\_IronScrotum](#): > > So when i looked at the debuff on-screen it had said “tracking disrupted” but it turned out it was turret “range” that was disrupted, not tracking. NPC’s disrupt both range & tracking. Also read the rest of the thread before ranting. You took on an elite mission in a ship that isn’t normally considered suitable to do that mission. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180/26 "2019-03-01T22:23:43Z")
Of course your other option is to say, after the first attempt or so, “I guess I’m not ready for this mission yet.” EVE isn’t one of the endless MMO’s that holds your hand, makes sure you don’t suffer any real pain on death, and makes all the content you can access something you can do without too much challenge. EVE expects you to make the call… I will properly research, prepare, skill and fit for this; or I will drop it and do something else until I am ready; or I will tackle it anyway, and take the risk of losing. That’s what a ‘sandbox’ game is all about - you pays your money and you takes your chances. ---
**Author:** ![Whiskiz\_IronScrotum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whiskiz_ironscrotum/32/406697_2.png) [@Whiskiz\_IronScrotum](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whiskiz_IronScrotum)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180/27 "2019-03-02T00:00:46Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > NPC’s disrupt both range & tracking. Ah that’d explain why i was still missing half the shots at 500m. So “tracking disruption” should be called “tracking and range disruption” when hovering over the debuff. Still misinformation. So not only did i have to kill elite Battleships at \< 6000m, using low damage long range ammo, even with stacked tracking equipment and no angular velocity it didn’t guarantee hits let alone kills. No counterplay, no outplay from the spam and stacking, no other options but to brute force through it. And you think this is fine? That it’s ok because it’s an epic/elite mission? > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Also read the rest of the thread before ranting. You took on an elite mission in a ship that isn’t normally considered suitable to do that mission. I didn’t comment on this because i was aware of this simple fact before i even started the mission. I had already done 2 or 3 of these missions in this epic story arc. So maybe you should read what i have to say before commenting - again, it was just the Ewar **spam** and **stacking** and from **Battleships** that was the problem. Not the mission, not elite enemies. The epic story arc was fine. The retarded heavy Ewar use from **8+ enemies** with **1 - 3 stacks, even at long range** , at any time **in a single room** was the problem and garbage design. Anyway to anyone that saw the account details before they were removed, feel free to use the account, i won’t be logging on nor reporting any suspicious activity or anything etc. Should still be roughly 5 days left of sub time. ---
**Author:** ![CowRocket\_Void](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cowrocket_void/32/189525_2.png) [@CowRocket\_Void](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CowRocket_Void)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180/28 "2019-03-02T00:13:54Z")
> [@Whiskiz\_IronScrotum](#): > > Ewar turret tracking debuff Debuff? The hell is that? You mean tracking disrupted. Come on man, if you want to play the game use the proper Eve terms not some POE or other crap game terms. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180/29 "2019-03-02T00:22:28Z")
Yes. The epic arcs come with lots of ewar. It’s a thing. Bring an appropriate ship. Eve is about bringing appropriate tools. Also sharing accounts is bannable and will get whoever uses your account banned as well. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 12:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180/30 "2019-03-02T00:28:57Z")
> [@Whiskiz\_IronScrotum](#): > > No chance of killing a Battleship in its face with long range ammo and a couple low skilled med drones, while everything else is pumping me. Battleship flying 101: always have at least one full flight of light drones to have some extra DPS when main guns are failing (damps, (old)ECM, TDs, small and fast targets). Thats paramount. Flying BS without drone skills is a ticket for a lot of pain and frustration. > [@Whiskiz\_IronScrotum](#): > > So “tracking disruption” should be called “tracking and range disruption” when hovering over the debuff. [https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/EWar\_101\_Guide#Tracking\_Disruptors](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/EWar_101_Guide#Tracking_Disruptors) ---
**Author:** ![Bumpy\_Kai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bumpy_kai/32/130770_2.png) [@Bumpy\_Kai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bumpy_Kai)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180/31 "2019-03-02T00:43:56Z")
> [@Whiskiz\_IronScrotum](#): > > When you get Ewar turret tracking debuff on you while doing missions? Especially in a battleship with large (Pulse) lasers, especially when 2 or 3 are Ewar track raping you at the same time? > > This is in L4 epic storyline mission “Raging Sansha” > > I even switched a rig to T2 tracking and 2 tracking computers with tracking scripts, while using “keep at range” at 10km to keep angular velocity to non existant and staying within turrets’ optimal range and i still can’t even hit a Cruiser. > > So i’m warping in and out for those first few seconds worth of damage before they engage, while my drones tickle the Cruiser and warp back out before alllll the rest of the stuff gets me down to hull again. > > 6 Battleships, 7 Cruisers, 2 Battlecruisers and 1 Frigate while 1 - 3 Ewar tracking debuffs are alternating onto me. > > I get the Cruiser to shields in like 2 hits then literally can’t land a single hit on it again. > > Targeted a Battleship instead, bigger and easier to hit in theory - T2 tracking rig, 2 Tracking Computers and 2 Tracking Scripts and i landed maybe 1 in 7 hits, barely enough to get its shield down (so it was probably an armor tanker, since shields came off a little too easily)… > > Upon looking at [https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Raging\_Sansha](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Raging_Sansha) it turns out apparently the first room has 7, yes 7 Ewar turret tracking debuffers. Luckily i managed to kill like 3 of the frigates, insta popping before i could be engaged and debuffed… > > Da fuq is this garbage… > > Lost my brand new 200mil - 300mil Apocalypse over it (yeah yeah that’s nothing, i know) with 52mil in the bank. I also know “dont fly what you cant afford to lose” but i didnt see the above stupidity ever coming into the equation and i was kinda hoping it’d happen. > > Done with this retardedness. Thanks for having me. > > P.S It said only the Frigates and Cruisers Ewar tracking disrupted according to the above link, yet i was also being Eward by Battleships randomly. > > Seems the mission coding is as jank as the character sheet and in general. > > Thanks again. You picked a wrong ship, and sounds like wrong fit on it. Try MWD + MJD. MJD to 100 away from them as soon as you land, unless they’re already around that distance, turn away from them and start your MWD while they string in a nice line towards you. Kill them at max range. Rinse repeat. If you can’t reliably kill at 100+ km then I’m sorry, you are not ready for epic arcs. these can get much tougher then plain missions. Some of these missions will actually do quite a lot of damage to you even at 100+ km, not like regular L4s. Your ship needs to have appropriate tank to be able to with stand it long enough for you to kill them and range alone ain’t gonna cut it here. O and you can forget 200-300 mil Apoc, I didn’t even see that part, yea, LOL you need way better skills and better ship then that. Minimum you will need something like a Navy Raven or Navy Scorp with a bit of bling on it which will run you around 1.3-1.4 Bil and that is if you have all level 5 skills. Or a 3.5 Bil+ Loki + implants. these are not missions for new players. ---
**Author:** ![Whiskiz\_IronScrotum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whiskiz_ironscrotum/32/406697_2.png) [@Whiskiz\_IronScrotum](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whiskiz_IronScrotum)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180/32 "2019-03-02T00:57:36Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Yes. The epic arcs come with lots of ewar. It’s a thing. Bring an appropriate ship. Eve is about bringing appropriate tools. And what exactly is the appropriate tool for unlimiited Ewar? I can wait. Needing to bring a specific ship, for a specific mission? Especially when your character progress dictates very specifically, what you can and can’t use and when it only progressed very slowly in real time? C’mon… > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Also sharing accounts is bannable and will get whoever uses your account banned as well. I don’t mind if the other person doesn’t. Hard to link my account with the rest of theirs, especially if they play from a VPN. > [@Ms\_Steak](#): > > light drones to have some extra DPS when main guns are failing Thanks but 5 light drones would have done 0 against an Elite Battleship and other Elite craft and would have been chewed up, my medium drones were getting chewed from the DPS from these enemies - as someone else said up near the top would likely happen. > [@Bumpy\_Kai](#): > > turn away from them and start your MWD while they string in a nice line towards you. Kill them at max range I just said in my last post or 2, that i already tried kiting max range 50km and was still getting hit with Ewar from there. People, for like the 5th time - **you cannot outrange Ewar tracking disruption even at 50km, i tried** and **you cannot just basically get drones to clear the Ewar for you when half the room uses it** it sounds great in theory but they just don’t do enough damage while receiving too much, without a drone boat and/or highly skilled drones at the least. The only real option from personal experience is just outgearing and bashing your face against it. > [@Bumpy\_Kai](#): > > Your ship needs to have appropriate tank to be able to with stand it long enough for you to kill them and range alone ain’t gonna cut it here. I can tank forever at range, but that doesn’t help with killing the enemies. Anyway it’s mostly just the same answers with the same responses now. It doesn’t matter anymore but at the end of the day - unlimited Ewar spam and stacking **is** garbage design. _imo_ the mission being epic/elite does not justify such garbage design with minimal counterplay/outplay options. The only solution being to brute force through it - better equipment, better ships, better and more drones, better character. Throw in 2 or 3 Tracking Disruption with 2 or 3 Webs as well as maybe 1 Frigate/squishy warp disruptor, make it so Battleships don’t use it all. Add more enemies, make target prio more important. Slapping 20 enemies with 20 Tracking Disrupt in and calling it a day? Literal **garbage** ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 1:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180/33 "2019-03-02T01:08:28Z")
> [@Whiskiz\_IronScrotum](#): > > And what exactly is the appropriate tool for unlimiited Ewar? I can wait. Needing to bring a specific ship, for a specific mission? Especially when your character progress dictates very specifically, what you can and can’t use and when it only progressed very slowly in real time? C’mon… For those missions in the Amarr epic arc. Anything missile based. Primary drone ships, or a Marauder. I learnt this the hard way also with an old style armagedon going bang because of it. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180/34 "2019-03-02T01:11:25Z")
Challenge; accepted - for the glory of the Empire. Raging Sansha, Vanilla Apoc, light drones, 25kkSP character. Bobeus Vult. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 1:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180/35 "2019-03-02T01:16:20Z")
kk is not a real thing, it’s M. Also don’t forget to T2 fit it, at the point you are going Faction/Abyssal you are clearly over the bling point. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180/36 "2019-03-02T01:25:45Z")
Not a thing? - kk Hadn’t planned to bling, ty. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180/37 "2019-03-02T01:35:24Z")
> [@Whiskiz\_IronScrotum](#): > > 1600mm plating replace it with a second repper. if you find the epic amarr difficult, wait for the epic gallente. 1700 DPs in your face is much harder to handle than pesky ewar. especially since they tank good, have mwd… and have friends. especially if you are stupid( /me looks at the mirror) and hit the triggers … add 588 DPS. total 2300 DPS. if they get close to you your ship dies in 30s. Also they neut you. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180/38 "2019-03-02T02:11:53Z")
> [@Whiskiz\_IronScrotum](#): > > People, for like the 5th time - **you cannot outrange Ewar tracking disruption even at 50km, i tried** and **you cannot just basically get drones to clear the Ewar for you when half the room uses it** it sounds great in theory but they just don’t do enough damage while receiving too much, without a drone boat and/or highly skilled drones at the least. The only real option from personal experience is just outgearing and bashing your face against it. You keep repeating these things over and over, but basically you are saying “I was totally fine for this mission except for the parts of it I _wasn’t_ fine for, and once I figured out I wasn’t fine for it, I went back anyway and died. I saw what parts of the mission were giving me trouble, but rather than shift to a new method that handles those parts (ie, missiles), I just tried to smash my current build against them harder. And died. I correctly saw that Ewar was the problem, and that I couldn’t handle it, but I figured if I just kept smashing it would obviously get better. But it didn’t, and I died. **Therefore obviously the mission is dumb and badly coded.** The problem was not **me** , it was the mission!” Can you see where maybe you are going wrong here? ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 3:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180/39 "2019-03-02T03:57:53Z")
High pitched voice way in the back : " what about speed tanking with a drake?" ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2019, 4:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180/40 "2019-03-02T04:11:49Z")
i can’t do one mission on penumbra alone due to sensor EWAR @Whiskiz_IronScrotum, As I and several others mentioned, if you want to finish completing the ARC, either get a BS or any other ship that fires MISSILES, or get someone who can fly that with you. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-the-hell-are-you-meant-to-do/143180.md?page=3)