# What would you do if you Couldn’t Gank? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 13, 2026, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244 "2026-06-13T01:24:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/515697_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2026, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/345 "2026-06-26T01:14:46Z")
Well I remember that what it was like to fight a Worm Hole Pilot and I lost on speed ship size and escape possibilities. /so fighting you would feel like I am outside my pay grade in New Eden And I had once been in a fight vs the Judge Sarn and he was not even trying vs two other pilots ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2026, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/346 "2026-06-26T01:28:26Z")
In _EVE Online_, the undisputed least profitable gameplay loops per time invested are solo High-Security (Hi-Sec) mining (specifically Venture mining of standard Veldspar/Plagioclase)\*\* and **Level 1–2 Security Missions** \*\*. These activities often generate less than 1 million to 5 million ISK per hour, severely lagging behind the 100M+/hour averages of **[Exploration](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-question-about-pve-income-for-solo-beginners-l1-l2-missions-rookie-mining-etc/141544)** or Faction Warfare. [[1](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1snss9l/this_has_to_be_the_least_noob_friendly_game_i/), [2](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-much-isk-day-is-good/286525), [3](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-question-about-pve-income-for-solo-beginners-l1-l2-missions-rookie-mining-etc/141544), [4](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-rich-as-a-new-player/504942)] **Why These Activities Fall Short** - **High-Sec Solo Mining:** Mining basic ores in a solo frigate (like a Venture) in 1.0 to 0.5 security systems produces negligible volume and relies entirely on stagnant, highly contested market prices. [[1](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1ibtw4a/how_far_can_you_get_as_f2p_player_in_eve/), [2](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/15mmx73/new_player_isk_advice/)] - **Low-Level Security Missions:** Running Level 1 or 2 missions provides very low bounties, and the Loyalty Points (LP) earned yield minimal conversion value compared to running higher-tier combat sites. [[1](https://odealo.com/articles/eve-online-missions-guide), [2](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1rn958u/soooo_is_everyone_a_billionaire/)] - **Mining Missions:** Specialized Distribution/Mining agents often task you with harvesting specific, unsellable ores for nearly zero payout, making it a trap for newer players looking to build up wealth Give yourself to the dark side! 😉 🤣 [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/5/7/25726cd390c3c8619396f81dd7a7c78367631d1c.jpeg "Star Wars - Give yourself to the Dark Side") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66hEfKnaIRA) ---
**Author:** ![Lucy\_Alfrir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucy_alfrir/32/382506_2.png) [@Lucy\_Alfrir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucy_Alfrir)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2026, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/348 "2026-06-26T10:50:16Z")
Is the darkside Abyssals? burners? level 5s? CRAB? WH PI? Moon mining? ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2026, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/349 "2026-06-26T11:36:41Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Structures can’t defend themselves- in fact they can’t defend themselves against anything. They’re pathetically weak and expensive thanks to that damn core. I gave up moon mining simply because I refuse to buy another Athanor. The way people whine about it all is really rather crazy. Look at a structure, instead, as just a ship you are locking in position in space. Ask yourself whether you’d leave any of your other stuff just sitting there in space and wander off. Well, that is what you do with a structure. And comparatively that structure is not ‘weak’ at all. A 2bn ISK Vargur can be ganked in seconds by half a dozen Tornadoes. Those same Tornadoes would take half an hour or more to wreck the shields of a station…AND have to come back next day for the hull. And all of that does not even take into account that even a small corp can _defend_ a structure. Of course that does not mean they cant encounter overwhelming force…but overwhelming force occurs all over EVE and is how the big corps got to be big in the first place. The REAL issue in EVE is people doing stuff when they are not yet ready to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2026, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/350 "2026-06-26T14:33:02Z")
Well, I just got ganked. On the forums, that is. I guess you’re not fully availing yourself of the “true” non-consensual EVE experience until you offend some special snowflake(s) with a harmless suggestion. Since I started this thread, I can always revise and update the question: What would you do if you couldn’t gank due to FC removing red safety in high-sec? (other than mass-flag the post, that is) ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2026, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/351 "2026-06-26T18:51:00Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > What would you do if you couldn’t gank due to FC removing red safety in high-sec? Well…I’d finally have the time to play Far Cry 3, Far Cry 4, Far Cry 5, Scorn, Cyberpunk 2077, and a bunch of others I bought but have barely played. And think how many MORE games I could buy with that saved £37.50 a month EVE subscription. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2026, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/352 "2026-06-26T20:18:19Z")
What’s stopping you? 😎 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2026, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/353 "2026-06-27T00:15:51Z")
It was the ability to wd null blks, which if we still had, you would hardly see any ganking. Long before ganking, there was “griefing” with no consequences for that at all. You would have wet your diaper at that point in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2026, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/354 "2026-06-27T01:03:06Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > It was the ability to wd null blks, which if we still had, you would hardly see any ganking. Null-sec is always the reason we can’t have nice things. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2026, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/355 "2026-06-27T01:11:13Z")
We joined with an apx 30 man corp who had been running a BF 42 server for yrs so we all knew each other well when we joined. Our FC was ex null with an absolute hatred of null and its abuse of the game and a masterly command of the game from a null point of view. No wonder we did so well. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2026, 1:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/356 "2026-06-27T01:44:14Z")
Good times. 😎 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2026, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/357 "2026-06-27T02:00:58Z")
Back on topic. What would I do if I couldn’t gank. (which I never did anyway) What I’m doing now. Not paying CCP then and FC now any money for a game with no challenge. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2026, 2:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/358 "2026-06-27T02:02:36Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Not paying CCP then and FC now any money for a game with no challenge. I re-upped for 6 months. Plan is to earn enough PLEX to re-sub this time next year… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2026, 2:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/359 "2026-06-27T02:04:31Z")
Somebody got salty about Double DPS Tuesdays. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2026, 2:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/360 "2026-06-27T02:09:25Z")
Sorry, I just gave up. I was making billions in a wh, but to what purpose? Just to give it away to noobs who showed promise? I did it more to promote the game but that came to nothing as well. I was hoping that some bitter old vet giving away 5 bil at a whack would get some news, but meh… ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2026, 2:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/361 "2026-06-27T02:16:38Z")
CCP dug the grave. FC will just turn it into mass one. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2026, 2:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/362 "2026-06-27T02:23:09Z")
Frontier will nuke it from orbit… ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2026, 2:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/363 "2026-06-27T02:23:35Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Somebody got salty about Double DPS Tuesdays. Is that even a thing? 🍿 Not sure what’s worse - extra salty or extra apathetic? Salty means at least we’re still in the game Apathetic means we’re just waiting for our Omega time to lapse… ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2026, 2:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/364 "2026-06-27T02:33:28Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Apathetic How to turn your most demographically diverse game player base into sheep 101. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2026, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/365 "2026-06-27T02:34:12Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > How to turn your most demographically diverse game player base into sheep 101. Right now I’m running combat sites for achievements… I can barely contain my excitement! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244.md?page=17) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244.md?page=19)