# What would you do if you Couldn’t Gank? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 13, 2026, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244 "2026-06-13T01:24:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/125 "2026-06-17T19:55:22Z")
So why are you going after Hulks? They can destroy an entire rock in 30 seconds. They are the least AFK mining ship in the game. I’m not criticizing you- do what you gotta do. But you’re not hunting AFK ships. Over the years, cycles have been shortened and yields have been increased. A max yield Hulk with implants can pull probably 120 cubic meters every second. That’s a full hold every 1.5 minutes (i don’t use mining implants) and that’s not counting drones. Plus, you have to target new rocks every 30 to 60 seconds or your lasers shut off due to the current rock getting vaporized. So no… you don’t go after AFK miners. You go after mostly the active ones. Again- not criticizing. I dipped my toe in your world just like you once asked me to. It’s a game and you do it well. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/126 "2026-06-17T19:58:48Z")
They are usually AFK… as I’ve said. Most miners warp to the belt, target a rock, start mining, and walk away from the computer. After I arrest them, they autopilot to Jita, and then come back to try again. That’s their gameplay loop. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/127 "2026-06-17T20:02:26Z")
Not Hulks. I now ice mine in a Skiff which does allow me time to go AFK. Why be active in a Hulk if it will be destroyed when I can afk in a Skiff? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/128 "2026-06-17T20:04:41Z")
Glen, you seem to be under some delusion that miners are rational. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/129 "2026-06-17T20:06:30Z")
Most of them are. Ive met some delusional ones and some sane ones. And yes, one drove me so mental that I had to ruin his entire week. But I’ve met some great people. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/130 "2026-06-17T20:07:15Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Most of them are. Oh, sweet innocent child… ---
**Author:** ![Christine\_Creed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/christine_creed/32/510186_2.png) [@Christine\_Creed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Christine_Creed)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/131 "2026-06-17T21:05:29Z")
I am, in fact…a very sane, rational, and extremely sweet miner. So many people tell me this…even in Aiko’s channel. That means it must be true. 😃 🌹 ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/132 "2026-06-17T21:49:06Z")
There’s no issue with miners. Those few miners that do have issues have no doubt been unduly harassed by bumping and ganking. It’s not like mining is really an exciting profession - being rather monotonous, tedious and ultimately not very rewarding when compared to other activities. I mean - I get going after the huge multi-boxing and botting mining fleets. But I don’t think these generally present easy targets, and the reality is that more often than not - it’s the solo or small group that tends to get picked on. A great example is these ore anomalies for Military Campaigns. Easy targets, no? I mean, most are in 0.5 systems. Why aren’t they being ganked? Probably because they’ve been told not to by the higher ups as some corporations and alliances are making bank on mining these rare ores. The point bears mentioning again: **Consensual PvP**. You can bump, gate-camp and gank your target market out of existence - or you can adapt, evolve and push for more consensual PvP content. And then make you actually get **more** of what you crave - instead of less… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/133 "2026-06-17T22:09:38Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > unduly harassed Bumping and ganking are not harassment. CCP has been repeatedly very clear on this. That is normal expected intentional gameplay. When I was elected High Queen of Gankerdom, I did a support ticket just to verify with CCP. I said, “I intend to kill all the miners, is that allowed?” and the official CCP response was, “We see no issue with this. Good luck, capsuleer!” ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/134 "2026-06-17T22:48:37Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Bumping and ganking are not harassment. This from the bumper/ganker. You may not view it as such (and let’s be honest, you don’t!), but I hardly think you’re providing a community service like the Magic School Bus, either. ---
**Author:** ![Lucy\_Alfrir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucy_alfrir/32/382506_2.png) [@Lucy\_Alfrir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucy_Alfrir)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/135 "2026-06-17T22:50:02Z")
Wow, such dishonest selective quoting, and with the post you’re replying to only just above. smh ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/136 "2026-06-17T22:50:20Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > This from the bumper/ganker. No, it’s actually from CCP. **Bumping and ganking are explicitly allowed.** That IS the game. Calling it harassment diminishes the reality of actual harassment. You don’t need to bring Mike Azariah into this discussion, he is already on the record as agreeing with me. I provide a community service: I kill AFKs, bots, farmers, and plebs. > **[Mackinaw | Rod Kurrigan | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/136358914/)** > > Rod Kurrigan (Blastara) lost their Mackinaw in Uemisaisen (Lonetrek). Final Blow by Alleil Pollard (Krigmakt) flying in a Coercer. Total Value: 268,903,470.49 ISK Not a new player. He’s been playing the game more than a decade longer than me. I’m the new player, and I’m making skillful use of existing game mechanics, which allow new players to have a chance against boomerbears. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/137 "2026-06-17T23:00:05Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > You don’t need to bring Mike Azariah into this discussion, he is already on the record as agreeing with me. I could just as easily have mentioned Chribba. The point still stands. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/138 "2026-06-17T23:00:48Z")
Chribba doesn’t even play the game (nor does Mike). ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/139 "2026-06-17T23:02:31Z")
Pretty sure Mike indicated in his last video that he’s in the process of transitioning from his travels between the Empires and Exordium to Exordium exclusively. In the Bowhead that he doles ships out of… Hence why I used Mike (but in the past Chribba provided a ton of stuff to the EVE community). ---
**Author:** ![Hatch\_Nasty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hatch_nasty/32/512820_2.png) [@Hatch\_Nasty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hatch_Nasty)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/140 "2026-06-17T23:04:48Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > passed out LOL, me. I’m never AFK, but I might be UAK - Unconscious At Keyboard. If so, it’s because I’ve been awake for a day and a half and that benadryl I took two hours ago finally kicked in. If you catch me snoozing, fair game. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/141 "2026-06-17T23:07:22Z")
@Aiko_Danuja What community service did **you** provide this week? I helped a new player get out of Exordium with 50m. I suppose you tried to gank them? 🍿 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/142 "2026-06-17T23:08:38Z")
I defeated an entire bot farm: > **[Occator | Marx Karl Heinrich | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/136316994/)** > > Marx Karl Heinrich (Ryba.) lost their Occator in Onnamon (Black Rise). Final Blow by Amarr Citizen 2115403554 (Big Willies PVP Madness) flying in a Coercer. Total Value: 5,949,628,474.43 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/143 "2026-06-17T23:11:02Z")
“[Aiko Danuja STFU and make me a sandwich](https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98831452/)” - I’ll give you points on creativity! lol Well, it’s a 40-member corporation - and I don’t use zkillboard enough to claim to be familiar enough with it to make this determination) - so I’ll have to take you at face value. Based on the cargo it looked like an Abyssal runner? Didn’t realize Abyssals were at the botting stage… You seem to kill a lot of MTUs and Exhumers… (with Macs being a favorite). ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2026, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244/144 "2026-06-17T23:21:54Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Didn’t realize Abyssals were at the botting stage… You are really incredibly uninformed… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-do-if-you-couldn-t-gank/513244.md?page=8)