# What would you tell your past self on their first day of EVE Online? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 26, 2024, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-tell-your-past-self-on-their-first-day-of-eve-online/459749 "2024-08-26T18:29:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-tell-your-past-self-on-their-first-day-of-eve-online/459749/21 "2024-08-27T15:32:25Z")
You would have loved the learning skills šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-tell-your-past-self-on-their-first-day-of-eve-online/459749/22 "2024-08-27T15:34:19Z")
Sheeshā€¦how many months did it take you to train Advanced Contrarian Level V ? Did you do up to Level V in ā€˜Arguing Just For The Sake Of Itā€™ as well ? ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_ex-girlfriend/32/429252_2.png) [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Ex-Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-tell-your-past-self-on-their-first-day-of-eve-online/459749/23 "2024-08-27T15:45:29Z")
> [@Aaaarrgg](#): > > You would have loved the learning skills šŸ™‚ Oh, please. Donā€™t act like learning skills were a big deal. All you had to do was click the button in Evemon to calculate them into your plan. Are we better off without them, yes, but donā€™t whine about them like they were a problem when it was once click of a button to solve. šŸ™„ The more annoying part was the 2am skill changes because no skill queue. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Sheeshā€¦how many months did it take you to train Advanced Contrarian Level V ? Did you do up to Level V in ā€˜Arguing Just For The Sake Of Itā€™ as well ? Takes almost 20 years in retail, mostly closing liquor stores and graveyard shifts in gas stations, to develop this level of intolerance towards stupidity. Most donā€™t last that long before going completely insane. Is that what you wanted to hear? šŸ¤Ø ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-tell-your-past-self-on-their-first-day-of-eve-online/459749/24 "2024-08-27T15:51:32Z")
> [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](#): > > Is that what you wanted to hear? No, I was just wondering if English was your first language, as you seem to have major problems with comprehending someone merely asking for a few more important skills ( such as Signature Analysis ) being added to the ā€˜Magic 14ā€™. Oh, and it doesnā€™t take more than 20 minutes for all 4 of the Level 1 for armour layering to be completed. There is no good reason for _not_ doing it. Of course, I realise its Eve Forumsā€¦full of people with Level V in ā€™ I canā€™t bear the idea that anyone comprehends the game better than I do '. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_ex-girlfriend/32/429252_2.png) [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Ex-Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-tell-your-past-self-on-their-first-day-of-eve-online/459749/25 "2024-08-27T16:05:30Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > No, I was just wondering if English was your first language, as you seem to have major problems with comprehending someone merely asking for a few more important skills ( such as Signature Analysis ) being added to the ā€˜Magic 14ā€™. I have comprehension issues? Why canā€™t you comprehend the Magic 14 are the skills that apply universally to all ships in equal measure? Yes, armor skills work on shield ships, but as for equal application across the board, armor compensation skills are wasted on a shield ship, thatā€™s why theyā€™re not in the Magic 14. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Oh, and it doesnā€™t take more than 20 minutes for all 4 of the Level 1 for armour layering to be completed. There is no good reason for _not_ doing it. Thereā€™s a very good reason. Because Level 1 of 4 different armor skills is going to absof\*ckinglutely nothing to the effectiveness of your shield frigate, and do a piddling towards the effectiveness of your armor frigate. You can justify that training on an armor ship as a step to higher levels, but thatā€™s minimum level 3, which is about a day for all 4 of those, quite long to a day one player. Also, itā€™s idiotic for a day 1 player to train all 4 of those armor skills even if they fly an armor ship, because the rats theyā€™re dealing with the first couple days are essentially only doing two damage types. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Of course, I realise its Eve Forumsā€¦full of people with Level V in ā€™ I canā€™t bear the idea that anyone comprehends the game better than I do '. You donā€™t have the ability to perform the basic reasoning that I provided above, but you think you comprehend this game better than me? Oh, thatā€™s hilarious. Tell me you actually believe that, I need a good laugh. šŸ¤£ This game is hard enough for new players without people giving them bad advice. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-tell-your-past-self-on-their-first-day-of-eve-online/459749/26 "2024-08-27T16:17:55Z")
> [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](#): > > Why canā€™t you comprehend the Magic 14 are the skills that apply universally to all ships in equal measure? You completely, _and somewhat deliberately_, missed the point in your eagerness to show off. Iā€™m talking about an _extended_ Magic 14 that caters for the things people need to train after theyā€™ve done the basic skills. Skills such as Signature Analysis also apply to most ships, and make a big difference. People need a training scheme that goes beyond Magic 14. Quite why you are blathering on about whether a person flies Caldari or Amarr is silly, as the extended version could take account of armour or shield ships. Itā€™s just the usual forum case of someone setting up a straw man to argue with. This isnā€™t the sort of thing that puts people off Eve. The irony is itā€™s snide know-all responses like yours that put people off Eve. The toxicity of the ā€™ I know everything about everything and how dare anyone question meā€™. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_ex-girlfriend/32/429252_2.png) [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Ex-Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-tell-your-past-self-on-their-first-day-of-eve-online/459749/27 "2024-08-27T16:24:37Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > You completely, _and somewhat deliberately_, missed the point in your eagerness to show off. Iā€™m talking about an _extended_ Magic 14 that caters for the things people need to train after theyā€™ve done the basic skills. Skills such as Signature Analysis also apply to most ships, and make a big difference. No youā€™re not. Youā€™re just now adding that to move the goal post when youā€™re losing the argument. Also, Signature Analysis _ **is part of the Magic 14** _. It includes 2 Targeting skills, Long Range Targeting and Signature Analysis. Youā€™re in such a rush to prove me wrong you didnā€™t even look at the list, did you? šŸ¤£ ![magic14](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/5/4/f54b11220024099eec8fe1c87570e05b1a7317d1.jpeg) Whatā€™s that say, 4th from the bottom there? šŸ¤Ø > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > The toxicity of the ā€™ I know everything about everything and how dare anyone question meā€™. Oh, the irony of calling me a know-it-all, while acting like a know-it-all, while actually not even knowing the topic youā€™re pretending to know everything about. šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ Please, stop. My sides are starting to hurt from laughing at you. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > People need a training scheme that goes beyond Magic 14. And whatā€™s stopping them from making one on their own that fits their play style? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-tell-your-past-self-on-their-first-day-of-eve-online/459749/28 "2024-08-27T16:28:27Z")
> [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](#): > > Whatā€™s that say, 4th from the bottom there? There are more that should be added. Sheeshā€¦why are you so toxically determined to argue against that ? More people are put off by such toxicity than could ever be put off by ā€˜bad adviceā€™. The irony ! ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-tell-your-past-self-on-their-first-day-of-eve-online/459749/29 "2024-08-27T16:29:23Z")
I find itā€™s easier to just train every skill in the game on one toon, but Iā€™ve also had 18 years to do itā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_ex-girlfriend/32/429252_2.png) [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Ex-Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-tell-your-past-self-on-their-first-day-of-eve-online/459749/30 "2024-08-27T16:29:36Z")
Here, Iā€™ll let CCP explain it. Maybe they can dumb it down enough for you to understand. Iā€™m not wasting anymore of my time on you. ![reason](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/c/f/5cff94ff790b5d499d0a558a4f75ffd2f552a1c5.jpeg) [Source](https://www.eveonline.com/eve-academy/magic-14) ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-tell-your-past-self-on-their-first-day-of-eve-online/459749/31 "2024-08-27T16:32:03Z")
As far as the original question goes, I would have told myself to hoard PLEX when it was cheap, and buy as many Orcas as I could when they were only 500 million. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/your_ex-girlfriend/32/429252_2.png) [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Your_Ex-Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-tell-your-past-self-on-their-first-day-of-eve-online/459749/32 "2024-08-27T16:32:20Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > I find itā€™s easier to just train every skill in the game on one toon, but Iā€™ve also had 18 years to do itā€¦ Now imagine what those of us who have had over a decade to build multiple characters are capable of. šŸ˜‡ ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-tell-your-past-self-on-their-first-day-of-eve-online/459749/35 "2024-08-27T16:37:00Z")
> [@Your\_Ex-Girlfriend](#): > > And whatā€™s stopping them from making one on their own that fits their play style? Probably the same thing thatā€™s stopping them creating their own Magic 14. People donā€™t know what they donā€™t know. Iā€™m simply arguing that Magic 14 should not _stop_ at 14ā€¦as thereā€™s then a tendency for noobs to thing theyā€™ve done all that needs doing. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-tell-your-past-self-on-their-first-day-of-eve-online/459749/37 "2024-08-27T16:38:54Z")
Good choice. m ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-tell-your-past-self-on-their-first-day-of-eve-online/459749/38 "2024-08-27T16:39:41Z")
Lolā€¦I genuinely have to laugh at your self-declared ā€˜winningā€™ of some non-existent argument. Where was I arguing ? I was simply stating that Magic 14 should be extendedā€¦before you butted in with your toxicity. And then you have the sheer gall to pretend youā€™re trying to _prevent_ people being put off Eveā€¦lol. Your sort of responses _exemplify_ what puts people off Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Von\_DeMoreno](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/von_demoreno/32/491525_2.png) [@Von\_DeMoreno](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Von_DeMoreno)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-tell-your-past-self-on-their-first-day-of-eve-online/459749/39 "2024-08-27T16:55:32Z")
I was thinking about this thread earlier, and while my first answer of ā€œlearn what a pap isā€ still stands, I think I thought of something more important: Patience, grasshopper. More than anything, newbros come into our corp and seem to expect to be able to fly the big ships sooner rather than later. They donā€™t understand the immensity of the skill tree, and itā€™s difficult to impress upon them a need for patience. Donā€™t get addicted to the skill injectors. Donā€™t get addicted to wallet tanking. Iā€™ve seen players receive large sums of ISK up front, and it ruins their experience because they havenā€™t had to work for what they get. Almost universally, those guys quit. The ones who get addicted to wallet tanking get bored more easily, and most of those guys quit, or worse, they come to ruin because they canā€™t stop themselves. You must learn to live within your means, skill-wise. Learn to like flying what you can fly while your other skills train. Thereā€™s nothing wrong with budgeting your ISK for a Skill Injector now and again; I just bought two of them last night for a fleet I wanted to be on. Thereā€™s nothing wrong with a little wallet tanking; Iā€™ve done that, too. The important thing is to avoid the mentality of instant gratification. This is a game that can and probably should teach you a certain amount of patience, and an appreciation for working for your achievements, whether thatā€™s the ISK in your wallet, the ships in your hangars, the killmarks on those ships, or anything else in New Eden. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-tell-your-past-self-on-their-first-day-of-eve-online/459749/40 "2024-08-27T17:02:02Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > I find itā€™s easier to just train every skill in the game on one toon, but Iā€™ve also had 18 years to do itā€¦ Given the sheer difference that locking speed can make, its worth ( for example ) training the 7 days or so to get Electronics Upgrades V and then be able to fit T2 signal amplifier. These things are not automatically intuitive, especially where skills rely on other skills, or fitted modules can actually lower the effect of skillsā€¦for example cloak reducing scan resolution. Thereā€™s no real prescribed path beyond Magic 14, as is illustrated by the sheer number of badly fitted ships that get ganked. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-tell-your-past-self-on-their-first-day-of-eve-online/459749/41 "2024-08-27T19:49:15Z")
Thank you everyone for your replies, I am very grateful for your contribution. I believe we have something quite beautiful developing here. @Altara_Zemara @Your_Ex-Girlfriend Thank you for being here, I like what you two have to say. I must ask you however to calm down, because you see, the last thread was closed against my will due to off-topic posting taking over, and I really want this thread to flourish. You understand my worries? Perhaps you two can agree to disagree. Or alternatively discuss the merits of the magic 14 skill plan in a different thread. I would prefer it if you found common ground and got along with eachother, that would be my wish. With humble regards -James Fuchs ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-tell-your-past-self-on-their-first-day-of-eve-online/459749/42 "2024-08-27T20:16:38Z")
I would tell my past self to start stealing loot sooner. šŸ˜‡ šŸ˜‰ Oh by the wayā€¦ > [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > I really want this thread to flourish. Maybe you should buy a forum posting permit for 1 bil ISK from Frostpacker. šŸ˜Š ---
**Author:** ![Flickstick\_Rick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/flickstick_rick/32/406188_2.png) [@Flickstick\_Rick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Flickstick_Rick)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2024, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-would-you-tell-your-past-self-on-their-first-day-of-eve-online/459749/43 "2024-08-28T08:37:08Z")
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