# What's Holding This Game Back? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 1, 2022, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098 "2022-02-01T22:53:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 3:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/324 "2022-02-08T03:44:53Z")
> [@Frege\_Descartes](#): > > ### Recent Activity > > _ **May 13, 2015** _ > > That’s your corporation. How can someone get back at you if you don’t play the game? Or. maybe this isn’t your main? Try doing more in-depth research than a cursory kill board search. You’d see that I own structures (by looking me up in game), and that am logged in on this character and often in space (by running a locator and finding me). Over the past week, for example, I moved nearly a thousand skill injectors across the universe. People definitely _can_ get back at me if they wanted to. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 3:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/325 "2022-02-08T03:48:02Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Try doing more in-depth research than a cursory kill board search. > > You’d see that I own structures (by looking me up in game), and that am logged in on this character and often in space (by running a locator and finding me). > > Over the past week, for example, I moved nearly a thousand skill injectors across the universe. People definitely _can_ get back at me if they wanted to. I do wonder where his alt is. He did run a locator at some point on me in the past few weeks, but his intel is outdated 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/326 "2022-02-08T07:37:34Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > I can think of nothing better than oldbies developing some form of direct noob mentoring. This happens every single day. The issue is a player needs to want to be mentored. Take yourself as an example……… Countless players on here attempted to mentor you. All your initial posts about pvp not being fair, mining not being safe and mining making much more isk than escalations. Players constantly explained to you the assymetric nature of pvp in this game, they explained how to mine, how to fit, what processes to go through. They even told you correctly that mining doesn’t make that much isk and you will make more running escalations. :). To which they were called idiots, told they were wrong and completely dismissed. While it’s refreshing to see that your more recent posts say things such as “I used to think pvp was unfair but the more I play the more I realise it’s not” it’s still extremely hypocritical to suggest “oldbies” are not doing enough mentoring when it’s more that arrogant, ignorant know it alls refuse to be mentored and dismiss any advice that doesn’t align perfectly with their pre-determined opinions. 🙂 But glad to see you are evolving. Give it another 6 months and you might be tolerable ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/327 "2022-02-08T11:59:02Z")
I am a whale sort of. I buy 10 bil isk a month with plex. ---
**Author:** ![Same\_Old\_Topics](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/same_old_topics/32/282720_2.png) [@Same\_Old\_Topics](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Same_Old_Topics)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/328 "2022-02-08T12:42:24Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > People mentor noobs all the time Trust me guys. ---
**Author:** ![Same\_Old\_Topics](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/same_old_topics/32/282720_2.png) [@Same\_Old\_Topics](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Same_Old_Topics)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/329 "2022-02-08T12:49:19Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Eve could really do with some sort of direct mentoring system. This isn’t meant to sound assholish, but this kind of… theoretical pissing in the wind always, always comes across as super disingenuous. Not you specifically, but this whole mental exercise of “The game should have a system where pros are encouraged to blah blah newbs”. If the oldbros _wanted_ to be in a mentoring position, they would be. They do not, and thus they aren’t. _Any_ system that CCP might implement is… a waste of time considering the above. If there was a push by the players for such because their _current attempts_ were falling short, that’d be one thing. But let’s not be _that_ ridiculous. We all know it isn’t true. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/330 "2022-02-08T12:54:19Z")
you got a point, because there’s some on here who admitted they will not share their info or their tips and tricks ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/331 "2022-02-08T13:00:06Z")
> [@Same\_Old\_Topics](#): > > If the oldbros _wanted_ to be in a mentoring position, they would be. They do not, and thus they aren’t. Literally happening all the time. Folks have started their own corps just for this purpose. It’s just maybe not as visible because the folks that are genuine about this are not constantly spamming rookie chat for recruits ……. Because they can teach a handful of people…… they can’t teach hundreds. Unfortunately many corps just want big numbers and once you sign up you don’t get much support. Those corps are visible because they are always actively recruiting because player experience is a secondary consideration. But good corps and the mentors/teachers/helpers are around. ---
**Author:** ![Same\_Old\_Topics](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/same_old_topics/32/282720_2.png) [@Same\_Old\_Topics](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Same_Old_Topics)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/332 "2022-02-08T13:03:11Z")
Well that’s the other thing. Even assuming there WAS a mentor whatever, it’d be maybe six months before someone utilized it to pull a guiding hand social club somehow. So you can’t truly blame them. But its… its the folks that post about the future of the game, player retention, opening things up and whatever and then log in to strictly not speak to anyone they don’t think they know _very_ well, and send “post gank survey mails” to salty newbs. Don’t stop playing things your way, the game allows for it. But stop acting like your interests are in in same post code as “mentoring” anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Lennox\_Dantes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lennox_dantes/32/376609_2.png) [@Lennox\_Dantes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lennox_Dantes)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/333 "2022-02-08T14:40:22Z")
Its been about a year or so since i’ve logged it. It was pretty grim then. There used to be a ton of people playing. Seems like a lot of AFK multi-boxers. Even ganking videos ive been seeing are from people with multiple accounts to do in-game mechanic gymnastics. I’d love to get back into the game. Its my favorite game of all time. But, the damage done years ago seems to have left space very empty and full of rules. I’m all ears if there have been updates that prove me wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/334 "2022-02-08T15:55:25Z")
> [@Ricky Tock](#): > > @Cilla_Cybin what new features would you implement or change exactly to improve the new player experience? I don’t agree with your statement that private chats and Rookie Help work just fine. A lot of the time the problem for noobs is they just don’t know what questions to ask. Direct mentoring would help with that. Doesn’t even have to be one on one…I think a mentor could probably cope with half a dozen at a time, showing them the ropes and being available for direct ‘hands on’ help. An ideal job for all those oldbies who sit around whining that there’s nothing to do in Eve any more. As for corporations…yes, I would totally overhaul them. I’d either get rid of the current system in which one can only be in a single corporation, or I’d add an additional ‘groups’ level. For example, one of the mentors mentioned above could be in X Corporation _and also_ be in ’ Newbie Mentor Group’. The current system is absurdly restrictive and once you join a corp you are effectively bound to not only that corp but all its alliances, factions, yada, yada. I’d have a ‘groups’ level, possibly even above corp level. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/335 "2022-02-08T16:00:20Z")
> [@Lennox Dantes](#): > > Its been about a year or so since i’ve logged it. It was pretty grim then. There used to be a ton of people playing. But the whole ’ I’m not logging in because there’s not enough people there when I do ’ thing becomes self fulfilling after a while. Your own absence becomes part of the problem…which someone else then notices and uses as a reason for not logging in. If all the people who say ’ I’d log in if there were more people’ _did_ actually log in…there’d _be_ more people ! ---
**Author:** ![Lennox\_Dantes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lennox_dantes/32/376609_2.png) [@Lennox\_Dantes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lennox_Dantes)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/336 "2022-02-08T16:06:35Z")
True. But I shoot industrial ships. Its pretty grim flying around for hours with barely any targets. Definitely dont want to be a gate camper. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/337 "2022-02-08T16:10:35Z")
> [@Lennox Dantes](#): > > True. But I shoot industrial ships. Its pretty grim flying around for hours with barely any targets. I was in Uedama on Saturday when Safety. got the ‘ships destroyed in past hour’ up to 500…which went on most of the day. So there’s not exactly a shortage of ships to gank. zkillboard shows freighters, etc, being ganked on a regular basis. Solo ganker Macgybo has entire videos on how he makes billions ganking at Jita and Dodixie. ---
**Author:** ![Lennox\_Dantes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lennox_dantes/32/376609_2.png) [@Lennox\_Dantes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lennox_Dantes)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/338 "2022-02-08T16:14:42Z")
Yeah, he’s a gate camper… that’s not my cup of tea. I like to hunt. Maybe ill give it a shot. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/339 "2022-02-08T17:01:20Z")
> [@Lennox Dantes](#): > > Its been about a year or so since i’ve logged it. It was pretty grim then. There used to be a ton of people playing. Seems like a lot of AFK multi-boxers. Even ganking videos ive been seeing are from people with multiple accounts to do in-game mechanic gymnastics. > > I’d love to get back into the game. Its my favorite game of all time. But, the damage done years ago seems to have left space very empty and full of rules. > > I’m all ears if there have been updates that prove me wrong. LOL wut. A year ago, people were still multi-boxing. Obvious troll is obvious. > [@Lennox Dantes](#): > > True. But I shoot industrial ships. Its pretty grim flying around for hours with barely any targets. > > Definitely dont want to be a gate camper. Ok now you’re just straight trolling. > [@Lennox Dantes](#): > > Yeah, he’s a gate camper… that’s not my cup of tea. I like to hunt. > > Maybe ill give it a shot. LOL, then go to low/null. Or get gud. I find it hard to take you serious bro. ---
**Author:** ![Frege\_Descartes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frege_descartes/32/247951_2.png) [@Frege\_Descartes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frege_Descartes)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/340 "2022-02-08T18:38:16Z")
> [@Gix Firebrand](#): > > LOL, then go to low/null. Or get gud. Seriously? Have you looked at your killboard lately? This is your main, right? ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/341 "2022-02-08T19:18:05Z")
> [@Same'Old'Topics](#): > > Trust me guys. We do. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/342 "2022-02-08T20:09:14Z")
> [@Frege Descartes](#): > > Seriously? Have you looked at your killboard lately? This is your main, right? I have? You realize I didn’t post for a long time to zkills right? In fact I’m debating turning it off again LOL. I only did it cause I had to join RIFTA. I do post with my main. How about you post with yours 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ricky\_Tock](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ricky_tock/32/297351_2.png) [@Ricky\_Tock](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ricky_Tock)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/343 "2022-02-08T23:55:16Z")
> [@Cilla Cybin](#): > > I don’t agree with your statement that private chats and Rookie Help work just fine. A lot of the time the problem for noobs is they just don’t know what questions to ask. Direct mentoring would help with that. Doesn’t even have to be one on one…I think a mentor could probably cope with half a dozen at a time, showing them the ropes and being available for direct ‘hands on’ help The mentor could create their own chat room and invite said rookies into it. > [@Cilla Cybin](#): > > I’d add an additional ‘groups’ level. For example, one of the mentors mentioned above could be in X Corporation _and also_ be in ’ Newbie Mentor Group’. What more would groups add that group chat rooms wouldn’t? Corps can still give out roles that show up as titles under the corp name in the show info screen. A rookie could ask for help in corp chat and be directed to a room where a mentor is currently active. I don’t see the tools as necessarily inefficient. I see motivation as a larger problem. Rookie Help is easy to use, since I log right in and all the rookies are right there. The rookie logs in and all the helpers are right there. I could make my own separate mentor chat if I wanted and that would help with the noise problem Other helpers and I always ask the prospective rookie about what it is they want to do. After completing the career agents, it’s usually up to the rookie to decide. That place gives plenty of off-hand suggestions, primary resources, and healthy drama that costs nothing. Lack of motivation is difficult to solve. Adding new tools could help, but I still see your suggestions as already currently viable, given the existing mechanics. If someone doesn’t know what to ask, they don’t know what they want to do. At least we can agree on the excess of sht corps! I’m gonna start offering rookies who are interested in PvP into some duels, give them some free ships for me to destroy. Perhaps I could pay for this with a small corp tax. This is all still possible, given current mechanics. More tools will not solve a motivation problem. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098.md?page=12) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098.md?page=14)