# What's Holding This Game Back? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 1, 2022, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098 "2022-02-01T22:53:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2022, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/384 "2022-04-08T10:56:58Z")
> [@Nico\_Christened](#): > > I can dump a few thousand dollars into this game and basically win the ISK war, inject all the skillpoints I want, and fly virtually anything. And then what? Or better yet then DO what? More advanced ships aren’t somehow better or more fun automatically, all ships serve a certain play style and require a level of effort which you either enjoy and are good at… or not. Being able to fly or do things that aren’t your interest or you’re just not invested and informed enough to make use of you still won’t be able to fly, you can fly them _technically_ but you’d lose them left and right and if it requires competence and teamwork no good team will take you. A good player is good regardless, a bad or uninformed player is bad regardless. If you fly the same ships you fly now nothing changes other than perhaps a few % here and there, if you fly new ships you will probably lack the use for and/or the experience then effectively nothing changes apart from more hilarious and costly lossmails. Realistically, once you have ~20 mil SP you can do your core play styles pretty much maxed out, around 40 mil SP you start to run out of stuff you need/want to train. Over 200 mil SP you get annoyed by having to add more skills: “oh god, the queue is empty again, lets add 6 more months or random skills, who the F cares”. ---
**Author:** ![Jon\_Tekitsu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jon_tekitsu/32/460483_2.png) [@Jon\_Tekitsu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jon_Tekitsu)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2022, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/385 "2022-04-08T15:03:44Z")
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**Author:** ![Capt\_n\_Nemo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/capt_n_nemo/32/314549_2.png) [@Capt\_n\_Nemo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Capt_n_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2022, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/386 "2022-04-08T15:27:28Z")
> [@Jon\_Tekitsu](#): > > the younger ones are now wearing pink cat-ear headphones, basing their entire personality off their pronouns, and drooling to borderline illegal cartoon porn on one screen while they play Final Fantasy or Lost Ark on another. What an ugly mean shameful and homophobic thing to say about a generation who’s only wishing against hope to have it as good as we had it back in the Cretacious period. These youngsters aren’t aliens preying on our resources. They’re our children, nieces and nephews. They are the generation who will suffer for _our_ excesses and our mistakes. I don’t much like what this so-called society has become but that doesn’t mean I’m going to blame it on some kids who had nothing to do with the changes I don’t like. Your comment is the reason why I’d rather converse with a 20-yo instead of your mean ilk. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2022, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/387 "2022-04-08T15:37:58Z")
as a gen x i don’t take on me any responsibility for > [@Capt\_n\_Nemo](#): > > what this so-called society has become but uhhhhh… whatever floats your boat bruh ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_n\_Nemo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/capt_n_nemo/32/314549_2.png) [@Capt\_n\_Nemo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Capt_n_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/388 "2022-04-08T15:47:41Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > as a gen x i don’t take on me any responsibility for I’m also genX and as much I like to believe I have no responsibility whatsoever for what this so-called society has become I try not to lie to myself. Reality is we’re _all_ responsible, directly or indirectly, and insulting the newer generations for what they may or may not be that is approved or not by a bunch of selfish old men is simply disgusting to me. > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > whatever floats your boat bruh My boat is full of dirty hot naked fuegs ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2022, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/389 "2022-04-08T15:51:54Z")
i don’t think our generation was much into that clown world authoritarian ■■■■ i may be wrong ofc ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_n\_Nemo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/capt_n_nemo/32/314549_2.png) [@Capt\_n\_Nemo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Capt_n_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2022, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/390 "2022-04-08T15:53:44Z")
No, you’re right. But it doesn’t mean we don’t hold some part of the blame. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2022, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/391 "2022-04-08T15:55:06Z")
i take no blame but you apear to be a nice guy so we politely disagree i guess ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_n\_Nemo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/capt_n_nemo/32/314549_2.png) [@Capt\_n\_Nemo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Capt_n_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2022, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/392 "2022-04-08T15:58:21Z")
I used to believe as you do, that I have no blame on me for ■■■■ I see today. But as I said, I try not to lie to myself. > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > you apear to be a nice guy so we politely disagree i guess I know you’re a cool guy from reading your posts on here and I don’t think we disagree as much as it may seem. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2022, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/393 "2022-04-08T16:00:52Z")
> [@Jon\_Tekitsu](#): > > EVE isn’t really being held back as such, it’s just that the kind of uber nerds who used to like it have aged and moved on, and the younger ones are now wearing pink cat-ear headphones, basing their entire personality off their pronouns, and drooling to borderline illegal cartoon porn on one screen while they play Final Fantasy or Lost Ark on another. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/1/6/7169ae4cd158535883df677e8cbd68bb38c4df6e.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2022, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/394 "2022-04-08T16:01:07Z")
![maybe-heavy](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/b/2/cb2fdf43a408641eedbee35c6b21098a4199b35b.gif) edit: happy cake day @Destiny_Corrupted ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2022, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/395 "2022-04-08T16:06:40Z")
I want gifts. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2022, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/396 "2022-04-08T16:07:42Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I want gifts. ummmmm… what do you want ? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2022, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/397 "2022-04-08T16:25:21Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/2/c/b2cde0c2cef0bad346a2e23a4673dcffe46156d0.jpeg) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/a/a/4aa1df6a135fd19b39ee15ce410de07495ca1d92.png) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/9/3/d93bc11a6f18b4903fe026001312587810b6ca5d.png) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/c/8/cc85d6432e7e205064e2adad57271ffaf301049b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2022, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/398 "2022-04-08T16:26:42Z")
done … ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2022, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/399 "2022-04-08T16:28:00Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/7/0/b707d3647be09f1d0ede5bf9ceaddf28494a4c16.gif) ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2022, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/400 "2022-04-08T16:28:15Z")
lies 🤣 that razer headset is super cute , i wish i could buy 2 , one for you one for my daughter she have a cat headset but is china stuff … edit: deal? ![productimg](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/0/3/e030d4cb30209bd3443e538e566e4e3989d7583a.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2022, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/401 "2022-04-08T16:30:50Z")
What’s holding Eve back is imbalance across the board. There’s a general perception that I’ve seen from gankers, AG, miners, wardecers, and a lot of others…that everything is harder to do. As the game relies on people going out and losing ships…that additional difficulty is not a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2022, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/402 "2022-04-08T16:40:29Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > As the game relies on people going out and losing ships we need some balance in that matter the people that complain the most about losing ships are usually the people that haven’t lost a lot of ships ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2022, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098/403 "2022-04-08T16:47:52Z")
The problem with losing ships is not the cost…I’ve so far lost about 30m ISK worth of ships, which is tiny when I consider that I have 1bn ISK worth of ships. The problem is that nobody wants that loss on killboard. Even a 10,000 ISK shuttle is a ‘loss’. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-holding-this-game-back/348098.md?page=17)