# When did Black Ops lose the 100% shield bonus? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 19, 2026, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051 "2026-07-19T13:39:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051/101 "2026-07-20T18:41:59Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > T2 ships from frig to Bc class are miles ahead in EHP resists. Nope, only some are. The T2 exploration frigate has less EHP than a t1 exploration ship, and even less than the navy exploration frigate as an example. Same goes for ewar frigates and stealth bombers. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051/102 "2026-07-20T18:47:47Z")
Look at HAC, T3s, the Hawk… Black Ops should be the best of the best, and used to make the first bridge, with logis and other Cov Ops to follow… They were the first bastion of defence… it’s like comparing Apples to Oranges… ---
**Author:** ![Lesican](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lesican/32/448285_2.png) [@Lesican](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lesican)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051/103 "2026-07-20T18:51:48Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > Look at my first and second post with shield and armor fit. Even combined > I struggle to get anywhere over 70K EHP. > > Easy you say. ![Screenshot_20260720_101555](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/1/e/e1e735024a3da6cac440ff288d4b509b56e0b5c8.jpeg) t2 fit ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051/104 "2026-07-20T18:55:42Z")
Incursion are Shield mainly. There are but a few of armor fitted fleets, I don’t think any has survived to this day. Less than 1K DPS is ubiquitous in Incursions. This fit at most will do 600DPS. And 83Km range is also pointless. MWD is mandatory as well ---
**Author:** ![Lesican](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lesican/32/448285_2.png) [@Lesican](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lesican)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051/105 "2026-07-20T18:58:25Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > Incursion are Shield mainly. > There are but a few of armor fitted fleets, I don’t > think any has survived to this day. ![Screenshot_20260720_101555](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/d/9/cd9aed1e29d07ca82c110f2dd17160f932a74b0b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051/106 "2026-07-20T19:00:58Z")
T3s are not T2, they are focused on being able to refit in space and being an all in one hull. HACs and AFs are more in line with marauders and specialize in strong tanks and DPS, not blackops, which instead are similar to recons and covops. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051/107 "2026-07-20T19:03:54Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > Look at HAC, T3s, the Hawk… Black Ops should be the best of the best, Heavy assault cruisers and assault frigates are specialized in sustained combat. Fleet ships, able to temporarily massively increase their resistances with assault damage controls while the enemy focuses fire on them. Of course they’re going to have more EHP than their T1 version, this is what they specialize in. Black Ops battleships aren’t specializing in sustained combat, so there’s no need for their role to have more EHP than their T1 version. > [@Queotzcatl](#): > > it’s like comparing Apples to Oranges… When you compare Blops to HACs, _you_ are comparing apples to oranges. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051/108 "2026-07-20T19:09:31Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > Even combined > I struggle to get anywhere over 70K EHP. You seem to struggle because you don’t seem to know how to fit a ship. Why would you waste a low slot module on an armor repairer in an armor _fleet_ when you complain that your EHP isn’t high enough? Repairs should be covered by the logi in the fleet. Put another plate there instead and see the EHP rise. Likewise why would you fit three hardeners and a damage control for a shield fit with zero shield extender modules and shield extension rigs? The problem here isn’t ship design, the problem in this thread is a **skill issue**. And this is a repetitive problem in every single thread I’ve seen posted by you. Always it’s the game’s fault, according to you. And every time it comes down to being stubborn and ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051/109 "2026-07-20T19:16:44Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > You seem to struggle because you don’t seem to know how to fit a ship. This, he wants to have an ominpotent uberpwnmobile and has totally underdeveloped fitting skills. 1000+ DPS @ 100km Range + 100k eHP with MWD …on a BlackOps ship that is designed for _hit & run_ tactics… thats simply idiotic. If he wants to run incursions with it, Faction Battleships or Buffer-Marauders are the way to go and it doesn’t take more than a minute to find a proper fleet fit for all of them. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051/110 "2026-07-20T19:28:33Z")
Idk… 2x c-type Multi, and it’ still below 80%omni. Fleet Issue got double the tank, more range, more dps, and only 71% with EM and therm rigs. ![Screenshot 2026-07-20 at 21.14.24](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/9/9/399aa5f9252738f3e1d3da5407f9c92fcea158ea.jpeg) ![Screenshot 2026-07-20 at 21.21.52](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/0/2/802d3c5bd62c536c087fbc1c08de41d262e0836d.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051/111 "2026-07-20T19:30:05Z")
So use the fleet issue then… ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051/112 "2026-07-20T19:31:20Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > Fleet Issue got double the tank, more range, more dps, and only 71% with EM and therm rigs. So if the Fleet issue is better, why not use the Fleet issue? Why do you have to use a Panther for this? ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051/113 "2026-07-20T19:33:45Z")
It’s not up to me to decide… But the T2 Black Ops should be 250kEHP at least… And it had prior to Catalyst nerf… ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051/114 "2026-07-20T19:34:57Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > It’s not up to me to decide… Who makes the decisions then? > [@Queotzcatl](#): > > But the T2 Black Ops should be 250kEHP at least… > And it had prior to Catalyst nerf… It didn’t. And I see no reason it should. A blinged Widow could reach high EHP values exceeding even that with it’s resistance bonus, but such a fit wasn’t really worth using for anything but a very tough cyno. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051/115 "2026-07-20T19:36:46Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > It’s not up to me to decide… rofl… then _ **ask the dude** who decides to give you the fit he wants you to come up with_. Problem solved. ---
**Author:** ![Lesican](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lesican/32/448285_2.png) [@Lesican](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lesican)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051/116 "2026-07-20T19:37:24Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > 1000+ DPS @ 100km Range > + > 100k eHP with MWD with a pyro this will hit 1k dps ![Screenshot_20260720_101555](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/6/a/b6a7df3325a64b13a2c691780aa39a400aa644c0.jpeg) it’s still a crap ship for incusions though, much better options out there ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051/117 "2026-07-20T19:38:24Z")
> [@Lesican](#): > > with a pyro this will hit 1k dps On paper. On 100km proably not even 400. ---
**Author:** ![Lesican](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lesican/32/448285_2.png) [@Lesican](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lesican)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051/118 "2026-07-20T19:39:08Z")
quetz is the one obsessed with hitting on paper numbers, i just like proving he is an idiot ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051/119 "2026-07-20T19:39:58Z")
I didn’t. I just watched the ships that didn’t get nerfed like the Marauders, with high mobility and with a decent DPS, and the Panther fit the bill… Untill it was nerfed… one week later… ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2026, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051/120 "2026-07-20T19:43:31Z")
Luckily the Panther is still a viable ship for anyone using it for it’s intended purpose. And anyone who just wants a tough battleship to fight with can use one of the battleships made for that purpose. Faction battleships or Marauders. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-did-black-ops-lose-the-100-shield-bonus/515051.md?page=7)