# When hope dies: my fears on the development direction of the game **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 13, 2021, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067 "2021-05-13T00:12:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/244 "2021-05-15T04:33:16Z")
> [@Ronin\_Gabe](#): > > Then you need to learn how to read. I read it right. You’re all buttweepy that you can’t swoosh around and just ignore everyone because you’re untouchable while you make ISK. ---
**Author:** ![Ronin\_Gabe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ronin_gabe/32/455535_2.png) [@Ronin\_Gabe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ronin_Gabe)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/245 "2021-05-15T04:35:16Z")
Like I said. You need to learn to read. We can’t do it for you. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/246 "2021-05-15T04:38:00Z")
No, but you could do everyone (including yourself) a big favor by learning how to _play_. ---
**Author:** ![Ronin\_Gabe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ronin_gabe/32/455535_2.png) [@Ronin\_Gabe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ronin_Gabe)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/247 "2021-05-15T04:39:11Z")
You mean learn to play YOUR way. Ain’t all about you. Very little of it is, actually. Don’t know how many times we have to keep saying that. ---
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/248 "2021-05-15T04:43:20Z")
Give it a rest you toxic harpy. ---
**Author:** ![Ronin\_Gabe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ronin_gabe/32/455535_2.png) [@Ronin\_Gabe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ronin_Gabe)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/249 "2021-05-15T04:43:50Z")
Oh, look. It’s about to speak again… ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/250 "2021-05-15T04:45:19Z")
Yes, learn to play _my_ way. The way that allows you to do things like survive camps and safely do PvE without much effort by applying a set of strategies and protocols to your activities. Of course, you can continue to play _your_ way too (the way that entails you getting blown up in a massive ball of fire and makes you come to the forums to rage-post and complain about it, unless CCP gives you a set of automated handicaps against other players). I can’t stop you. It’s really just a recommendation. But you see, regardless of what _you_ do, I’ll win either way. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/251 "2021-05-15T04:46:26Z")
> [@Ronin\_Gabe](#): > > You mean learn to play in the spirit of how CCP envisioned EVE online to be - a game about calculated risks and rewards, where everything in space is “in play” and subject to destruction. FTFY. ---
**Author:** ![Ronin\_Gabe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ronin_gabe/32/455535_2.png) [@Ronin\_Gabe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ronin_Gabe)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/252 "2021-05-15T04:46:36Z")
You’re still making the assumption that I die a lot to campers. Is there no end to your incorrect assumptions? ---
**Author:** ![Ronin\_Gabe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ronin_gabe/32/455535_2.png) [@Ronin\_Gabe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ronin_Gabe)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/253 "2021-05-15T04:49:28Z")
Yup. All the risk to those in high sec, all the reward to those who live in null. Give it a rest already. My mind isn’t going to be changed about the slant and advantage given to the big null corps. Really, stop trying. Go watch Netflix or something… ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/254 "2021-05-15T04:50:39Z")
> [@Ronin\_Gabe](#): > > You’re still making the assumption that I die a lot to campers. Is there no end to your incorrect assumptions? I think that you’re getting awfully defensive about this, so if I had to bet money… 🕶 > [@Nascent3ch0](#): > > Give it a rest you toxic harpy. > [@Ronin\_Gabe](#): > > Oh, look. It’s about to speak again… You guys have got some good smacktalk going here. The problem is that you’re doing it kind of like the kid at the playground who throws a rock at the other kids while standing behind the cover of his mother’s legs. 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/255 "2021-05-15T04:51:58Z")
@Destiny_Corrupted The whole point of this thread is that the universe should be big enough to accommodate everyone’s play style to a point. You’re part of the problem if that makes you angry. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You guys have got some good smacktalk going here. The problem is that you’re doing it kind of like the kid at the playground who throws a rock at the other kids while standing behind the cover of his mother’s legs. Dafaq does this even mean? ---
**Author:** ![Ronin\_Gabe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ronin_gabe/32/455535_2.png) [@Ronin\_Gabe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ronin_Gabe)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/256 "2021-05-15T04:52:00Z")
Actually, I was really just wondering when exactly it’d be when you were going to shut up with the ‘my way is THE way’ bit. ---
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/257 "2021-05-15T04:52:46Z")
@Ronin_Gabe She won’t. That would entail intellectual growth, at the very least. ---
**Author:** ![Ronin\_Gabe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ronin_gabe/32/455535_2.png) [@Ronin\_Gabe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ronin_Gabe)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/258 "2021-05-15T04:53:07Z")
Truth. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/259 "2021-05-15T04:54:00Z")
> [@Nascent3ch0](#): > > The whole point of this thread is that the universe should be big enough to accommodate everyone’s play style to a point. Why? I don’t remember this game being advertised to “accommodate all styles of gameplay,” especially since that apparently includes the ability to do safe PvE without being shot by other players. That’s a thing you invented in your own mind. Y’all are raging **so hard** right now, and aren’t even realizing how it’s making you look here. Epic cringe moment. ---
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/260 "2021-05-15T04:55:31Z")
You are characterizing what I’ve been arguing incorrectly. As for the nature of the MMO genre, that is not the subject of this thread. You are welcome to make one if you want to debate it. ---
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/261 "2021-05-15T04:58:28Z")
I honestly can’t be angry at you, because you represent a position I have always found completely intellectually and morally bankrupt: my way are the highway. That you keep coming back for no purpose other then shittalk is comical at best, tedious at worst. ---
**Author:** ![Ronin\_Gabe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ronin_gabe/32/455535_2.png) [@Ronin\_Gabe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ronin_Gabe)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/262 "2021-05-15T04:58:38Z")
I love how you continue to equate ‘not making indy more difficult’, with ‘not wanting to do anything to get myself shot at’. Does reality, or what someone actually says ever intrude on these great mental leaps you make? I’m not talking about ANYTHING other than making haulers more defenseless than they already are. You can’t possibly be this stupid. Is it intentional? ---
**Author:** ![Ronin\_Gabe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ronin_gabe/32/455535_2.png) [@Ronin\_Gabe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ronin_Gabe)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/263 "2021-05-15T04:59:35Z")
Epic cringe moment? Your neckbeard is showing. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067.md?page=12) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067.md?page=14)