# When hope dies: my fears on the development direction of the game **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 13, 2021, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067 "2021-05-13T00:12:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 2:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/102 "2021-05-14T02:01:48Z")
So far so good. I’m attempting to keep it fairly constructive and clean, but trolls will be trolls. @ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode Completely noob question because until recently I spent very little time on the forums… the ISD next to your name, what does that stand for? ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 2:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/103 "2021-05-14T02:10:09Z")
ISD stands for Interstellar Service Department. You can find out more about our program [here](https://volunteers.eveonline.com/). ---
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/104 "2021-05-14T02:12:51Z")
Excellent, thank you! ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 2:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/105 "2021-05-14T02:19:23Z")
Funny thing is where I can fly cap ships, I never have. No clue how to jump at all. Never done it! 😭 ---
**Author:** ![Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wavemistress_moidel/32/211447_2.png) [@Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wavemistress_Moidel)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 2:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/106 "2021-05-14T02:25:54Z")
I’m a sub cap pilot all my sp, trained into black ops but still need a cyno alt to jump. One acc so not happening. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 2:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/107 "2021-05-14T02:37:07Z")
Ah, I have 3 acct’s so I have my ass covered. Only this acct subbed atm. Waiting to see what CCP screws up next before deciding what to do. Guess I didn’t have to wait long! 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 2:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/108 "2021-05-14T02:39:54Z")
@Nascent3ch0 i’ve been playing since 2012 and have dipped my toes into many different aspects of the game… pve and pvp. I 100% agree with your sentiments expressed in the OP. Instead of feeling sadness like you though CCP has turned me bitter and cold as they choose to abandon the core attributes that have made Eve Online what it is today. I’ve just about reached the end of my rope and I anticipate my recently preferred activity will get the axe as a sacrifice to appease the Reddit mob. When that happens I don’t know what else there is for me to enjoy. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 2:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/109 "2021-05-14T02:47:37Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > I don’t know what else there is for me to enjoy. The joy of un subbing/not playing/paying CCP. Try a jet ski or maybe a snowmobile? CCP was happy with 20k players before, I don’t see why they wont be happy with that again at the rate their going? ---
**Author:** ![Khlaa\_Sor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/khlaa_sor/32/434528_2.png) [@Khlaa\_Sor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Khlaa_Sor)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/110 "2021-05-14T02:52:32Z")
> [@Fale\_Einn](#): > > can’t remember more than a tiny handful of positive changes (all of which were cosmetic if I remember correctly) How about introduction of new ships, modules, environments? (Won’t completely disagree with you, though, because some implementations do seem at least weird) ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 2:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/111 "2021-05-14T02:54:53Z")
There are a **lot** of small qol changes that CCP made that they probably don’t get enough credit for. ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 2:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/112 "2021-05-14T02:57:13Z")
> [@Khlaa\_Sor](#): > > environments Abyssal deadspace is an isk ATM machine until ccp do something crazy about it. ---
**Author:** ![Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wavemistress_moidel/32/211447_2.png) [@Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wavemistress_Moidel)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 3:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/113 "2021-05-14T03:05:50Z")
Another twelve month and you’ll be in the ten year bitter vet club, i only have a few month to go for my badge, CCP should really give out ten year bitter vet skins for all our patience over ten years of some really shitty updates and changes xD o7. ---
**Author:** ![Khlaa\_Sor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/khlaa_sor/32/434528_2.png) [@Khlaa\_Sor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Khlaa_Sor)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 3:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/114 "2021-05-14T03:23:55Z")
> [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](#): > > Abyssal deadspace is an isk ATM machine Some recent losses in the Abyss involving just one particular entity ([Karybdis](https://zkillboard.com/character/3019609/)) ![2021-05-14_10-13-13](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/2/b/92bc68f743385738ceb95227d011d49c47f87483.png) ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 4:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/115 "2021-05-14T04:00:11Z")
It’s really a good thing so that the Drifters lore will be consistent. Spawn sucks sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 4:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/116 "2021-05-14T04:03:22Z")
I’m in a very wait and see kind of mode. I’d love to be wrong with my assessment. The indy changes show that CCP is capable of fixing things without breaking stuff all together and people are pointing out there may be iteration. I’m not quite ready to surrender to despair, but I have a bad feeling about where all this is going. I just thought it was important for people who feel this way to know they aren’t alone. ---
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 4:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/117 "2021-05-14T04:04:29Z")
I would support bitter vet skins, even though I’m nowhere near them. Adds flavor man! ---
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 4:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/118 "2021-05-14T04:05:26Z")
I would agree with this in general, but it depends on which specific QOL changes we’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 4:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/119 "2021-05-14T04:30:33Z")
> [@Wavemistress\_Moidel](#): > > Another twelve month and you’ll be in the ten year bitter vet club, i only have a few month to go for my badge, CCP should really give out ten year bitter vet skins for all our patience over ten years of some really shitty updates and changes xD o7. nice idea IMO they should do bitter vet clothes including the most prominent bitter vets in the game ![59hofy](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/e/d/4ed49db4369c1b289178c2179b699ffeada8e8c7.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 4:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/120 "2021-05-14T04:31:50Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > nice idea > IMO they should do bitter vet clothes including the most prominent bitter vets in the game Can there be one for ‘stayed for the dudes?’ ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 4:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/121 "2021-05-14T04:32:08Z")
> [@Nascent3ch0](#): > > Can there be one for ‘stayed for the dudes?’ sure …but not with my pic… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067.md?page=7)