# When hope dies: my fears on the development direction of the game **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 13, 2021, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067 "2021-05-13T00:12:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 4:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/122 "2021-05-14T04:33:09Z")
Good times. I needed that laugh. I’ll be back in USTZ AM 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Marjorie\_Taylor\_Greene](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marjorie_taylor_greene/32/272061_2.png) [@Marjorie\_Taylor\_Greene](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marjorie_Taylor_Greene)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 5:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/123 "2021-05-14T05:10:10Z")
From solitude regions most notorious griefer and gank scout ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 5:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/124 "2021-05-14T05:20:44Z")
> [@Nascent3ch0](#): > > You don’t name your character after a hated public figure unless you mean to troll people. Dude, I had to look up who it was. No one cares but you what the person is called. What does your name even mean? Could be poison gas for all I know or care. > [@Nascent3ch0](#): > > Who is being emotional? Seems you are because you cant actually answer a simple request for a point without exploding like this? > [@Nascent3ch0](#): > > I have already Then quote it, show me this point so I many answer it. > [@Nascent3ch0](#): > > you only embarrass yourself further See, if that were to be true, Id have to feel shame at asking you to make a clear point I can answer, but you dont seem capable of doing this simple thing. So really, Ive nothing to be ashamed about because I can make a point without hysterics. If you could, youd have done so by now, I assume. Incidently, you say > [@Nascent3ch0](#): > > , this comment wasn’t even directed at you But the only comments you have directed at me are insults and trolling. So how about cutting your losses and providing a point or simply stopping. As I said before, if you cant actually reply with a single, non-emotive pioint, I was going to flag your response for trolling, which has now been done. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 5:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/125 "2021-05-14T05:42:32Z")
> [@Khlaa\_Sor](#): > > How about introduction of new ships, modules, environments? (Won’t completely disagree with you, though, because some implementations do seem at least weird) > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > There are a **lot** of small qol changes that CCP made that they probably don’t get enough credit for. That’s true, and Most of the ones I’ve seen were cosmetic, mainly landmark improvements. Actually I haven’t seen them, they are scattered around in places I don’t happen to be near, or traveling through. Since I’ve been playing there have been a lot of visual changes, most made things worse like smaller fonts, the recent and bizarre change to how windows work and shifting the placement of the subwindows in the probe and Dscan window. Jita was sort of interesting, much louder, and with it came other graphical changes I don’t see the point in like the jump animations and they bugs they brought with them that are still not fixed. To me software should be written, tested heavily, released and then ocasionaly there should be bug fixes in the form of the patches we see sometimes more than once a day. The launcher alone has had more changes than almost all of the other software on my computer and there’s a lot of it. While I have been playing there has been almost nothing added to it and a few (useful) things removed home the network testing stuff. Eve has become more stable in the last two years, it used to crash and blue screen rather often and that doesn’t happen anymore, perhaps due to being fully 64bit native now, I honestly don’t know. As far as I’m aware there are two new ships since I started playing, maybe three, and those are the Edencom ones, the frigate alone, unfitted, cost more than any other ship I’ve flown or even have the skills to fly. It also uses weapons that kill your own fleet mates. I’ve only ever seen one once and it was very brief, we were fleeted and as soon as we started shooting they were killed by Concord for accidentally shooting me. The bookmark thing was both good and rather silly, they made it better in some ways, sharing them is apparently easier, but the UI got worse. Something I would have done is make it so you can drag a bookmark into a chat window for other people to use, or even drag into a folder if they like. One of the biggest ones was the whole Triglavian thing, that was pretty neat but rather anticlimactic in the end. I was in one of the systems that broke off before and after downtime and honestly sort of expected something more… I don’t know, event like. To me, in the end it changed one thing, emerging conduits were gone. I’ve been in and out of Trig space and while it’s interesting it sort of also exactly the same. Sort of a hybrid wormhole/lowsec feel. With a hint of red. You might notice here that I’m actually struggling to find stuff and that when I do it’s tempered by things like bugs or poor implementation. I’m not looking to find fault, it’s just that when someone who makes software makes changes they should be improvements, things like reducing three clicks of the mouse to one, making things easier to read, not harder and obviously bug fixes. Someone said, I think in this thread, that their greatest accomplishment this year was making the red dot optional. I really wanted to find that funny. But they were kind of right, it was a real positive change, it got rid of something that was visually distracting to a lot of people. The situation in Eve is flat out surreal from a company client perspective, any other company acting so overtly hostile to it’s customers would be toast in no time flat, yet CCP has basically attacked very large portions of it’s used base and no one seems to know why or where it’s going to end. It’s weird being new in Eve, it lasts a very long time, there are people who have been in this game sixteen years longer than I have and who have seen lots of good and bad stuff and this leads me to think, ok, just wait it out, in two years I have had most of the things I’ve tried to do nerfed or screwed with in unpleasant ways, but if someone has lasted through that sort of thing for this long there’s got to be more good than bad. And that’s the part I’m waiting for. Changes that make sense. I’m watching this thing with warp core stabilizers and nullification very closely, both will have a very large impact on the stuff I still do and it will make me really happy if it’s an improvement in some way. I’m also watching all the nonsense about cloaking and camping and waiting for the changes there too, I hope they do simply remove the person who is cloaked from local chat, that would be simple and elegant. Anyhow, this has turned into a wall of text. Long story short I want my six months of tank skills back more than I care about how Jita looks. In fact Jita needs to burn more often, maybe constantly. ---
**Author:** ![Tomas9970\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tomas9970_amatin/32/381989_2.png) [@Tomas9970\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tomas9970_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/126 "2021-05-14T10:04:51Z")
After reading through this (and skiping a bit), I have one question. How far does the multiboxing hand reach? For me, that’s the symbol of pushing profit over game’s health and also a symbol of anything regarding excessive efficiency that is killing single-account experience. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/127 "2021-05-14T10:10:48Z")
Well it starts with three character slots. Legitimate question: on your single account play model, do you only use one slot? Or do you run research, manufacturing etc on the other two as well? ---
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/128 "2021-05-14T11:12:35Z")
Good morning all. Oh, you’re still here. Did pulling the wings off flies lose its appeal? ---
**Author:** ![Tomas9970\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tomas9970_amatin/32/381989_2.png) [@Tomas9970\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tomas9970_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/129 "2021-05-14T11:13:12Z")
I only use one slot. Used to have a Caldari alt at the time of racial-locked alpha accounts but I biomassed that when I got back about 9 months ago. I was considering getting an alt for something but it always came down to MCT and the fact that if it’s supposed to be focused and not train in parallel, I might as well put these skills on the main. As for industry and research jobs, I don’t do these at scale but that wasn’t the point anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/130 "2021-05-14T11:14:09Z")
> [@Fale\_Einn](#): > > That’s true, and Most of the ones I’ve seen were cosmetic, mainly landmark improvements. Actually I haven’t seen them, they are scattered around in places I don’t happen to be near, or traveling through. I’m going to go through all of this, I just wanted to suggest you visit the trace cosmos in Solitude. It’s absolutely stunning. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/4/a/f4a908dab69974b65d33856f8d64344aee988be5.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/131 "2021-05-14T11:16:53Z")
I have long felt that multi-boxing is at the very core of almost everything that is wrong with Eve. However I also acknowledge that CCP will never, ever, ever do anything about it, so I don’t really press this point in my discussions. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/132 "2021-05-14T11:17:02Z")
I’m actually planning on going to all of them, lately I’ve found less reason to want to do things in Eve and while that sort of sucks I can do something about it: go visit all of the beautiful and interesting stuff I can find. Maybe I will make some explosions on the way! ---
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/133 "2021-05-14T11:19:19Z")
I also enforce a one account limit on myself. Currently I only use one slot, but I have plans for the other two down the line. In this mode of play you accept time gating limitations on industry. ---
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/134 "2021-05-14T11:30:55Z")
@Xuixien I think I found one of your fans! Miss Marjorie\_Taylor\_Greene is clearly very upset with you. Given what I’ve seen here…good work! Which I Will End Your Whole member do you think is hiding behind this alt? ---
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/135 "2021-05-14T11:43:14Z")
This is a pretty good reply. I don’t entirely agree with all of your conclusions, but I do agree with most of your data and many of your conclusions. I wish I had more to comment on since this is such good work, but the post content is fairly straightforward. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/136 "2021-05-14T11:43:16Z")
I think you might be better off not using the two extra slots, mine languish and do nothing (except look interesting or pretty, I spent a lot of time making them). A better method (if you don’t mind blowing an extra fifteen bucks on Omega) is to send yourself an invite and make a whole new account. This slows you to play both accounts at the same time, gives you enough skillpoints to do some interesting stuff (I think you can get all of the useful stuff in the scanning section go IV for example) and your main who sent the invite will get stuff as a reward for you turning the new account to Omega. Multiboxing taught me more about all sorts of stuff than all other sources combined. Everything from corporation settings to how fleets work, and from scouting to learning to bait baddies. The best part for me though about this is using my other me as a second camera, I love taking pictures in Eve. I forgot one thing, I actually have used one of my extra slots, shes trained for scanning actually, and has been hiding in a wormhole I found beautiful for well over a year now… She’s also got a name resulting from a disastrous Google Translate session… I’m not going into that, it got ugly. ---
**Author:** ![Nascent3ch0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nascent3ch0/32/374213_2.png) [@Nascent3ch0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nascent3ch0)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/137 "2021-05-14T11:47:40Z")
They will eventually be used for something like this. Despite my philosophical aversion to alt accounts, based as it is on the ‘play to win’ aspect of things and the impact it has on the in-universe environment, my personal reason for not having alt accounts is a little different. Suffice to say keeping the details of all the accounts straight (both IRL and in character) feels both overwhelming and oppressive to me. It’s very triggering, so I just don’t do it. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/138 "2021-05-14T12:09:44Z")
Bear in mind on that stuff that I am talking about what I have seen and what has stood out to me, and that I only listed the memorable stuff. I am sure that there is a gigantic amount that I either glossed over or left out completely. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/139 "2021-05-14T14:22:37Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Legitimate question: on your single account play model, do you only use one slot? Or do you run research, manufacturing etc on the other two as well? I first made 1 account with 3 characters but only used this character for mission running and exploration. Over time I kept training skills and progressed into doing other careers, eventually getting to the point that this character can pretty much do everything. A few yrs ago I decided to create more accounts for a total of 11 characters. My intention is to have each character specialized in a specific career. Course even with the bonus SP’s from log-in and in-game task rewards, it’s taking far too long for the other characters to get specialized. As such I still pretty much do everything with this character. Now I do give SP’s to the other characters so they can train into their specialized careers. However for right now I mainly use them to purchase market goods for this character to re-sell in Rens. Eventually, if this game continues to remain active for the next few years, I hope to complete my original intention and have them all specialized in different careers. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/140 "2021-05-14T15:06:31Z")
> [@Nascent3ch0](#): > > @Xuixien I think I found one of your fans! > Miss Marjorie\_Taylor\_Greene is clearly very upset with you. Given what I’ve seen here…good work! Wait, so this person thinks you’re one of my alts? This is easily shown to not be the case in that I never put numbers in my names and all of my characters, without exception, are either Caldari or Amarr. Also, I would never badmouth or insult Romana McCandles. @Marjorie_Taylor_Greene You’re bad at intel. Do better. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067/142 "2021-05-14T15:35:22Z")
> [@Marjorie\_Taylor\_Greene](#): > > i only called out the fact they are a known solitude griefer and scam artist. @Nascent3ch0 nice try sucker. Literally all I’ve ever seen them do is mine. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-hope-dies-my-fears-on-the-development-direction-of-the-game/311067.md?page=8)