# When they finally stop asset safety **URL:** \ **Category:** PvP Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [September 27, 2023, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969 "2023-09-27T09:57:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Posh\_Wynoa\_Spice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/posh_wynoa_spice/32/455534_2.png) [@Posh\_Wynoa\_Spice](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Posh_Wynoa_Spice)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/21 "2023-09-27T17:53:37Z")
Asset safety should be a high-sec and low-sec EXCLUSIVE thing. It is a ‘get out of jail free’ card that gets abused to a stupid extent. It is a structure mechanics that favor the larger groups at the expense of everybody else. There is no ‘taking ground’ when N+1 is the only thing that matters. “but players won’t be willing to take risk without it” lies, and bull. Nullsec is supposed to be risky. All of the reward and none of the risk… well, that’s been the nullsec mantra for a long time now. That “nullsec gets all of the reward and has to risk nothing” has been a large point of stagnation. Because, when the larger groups have none of the risk, there is no reward for attacking them, nothing to take, nothing to gain, and only the risk of loss for the smaller guys for the would-be attack. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/22 "2023-09-27T17:56:15Z")
> [@Posh\_Wynoa\_Spice](#): > > It is a ‘get out of jail free’ card that gets abused to a stupid extent. The idea is to promote long-term living in upwell stations vs NPC stations. I would never settle down in an upwell knowing I could lose everything like in WH space. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/23 "2023-09-27T17:57:25Z")
> [@Boags](#): > > Go on a break… move your stuff to npc stations Can’t demand that from them. Imagine having 3 Supers, 14 Captial Ships (that you never use because you could lose them) and 87 million m³ of ores, minerals and other resources (from which you build even more Capital Ships that no one uses) on that Citadel. How should that _poor guy_ evacuate all this stuff to an NPC station? It’s _impossible_! And it would be _most unfair_ if anyone could just come, win three timers against his station and than had a chance to loot 50% of _his stuff_ that his alliance didn’t care the slightest for. ---
**Author:** ![Boags](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boags/32/382554_2.png) [@Boags](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Boags)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/24 "2023-09-27T18:56:48Z")
“How should that poor guy evacuate all this stuff to an NPC station? It’s impossible!” Your not poor!!! Then use your 14 caps to fight the battle for the station. ---
**Author:** ![Boags](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boags/32/382554_2.png) [@Boags](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Boags)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/25 "2023-09-27T18:59:02Z")
It works in wormholes… no cries there for assest safety. If peeps really had to fight for their stuff we might actually see a good battle… Oh they have 15 dreds… we have 14… “stay docked lads assest safety the ships were not fighting” Thats exactly what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Boags](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boags/32/382554_2.png) [@Boags](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Boags)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/26 "2023-09-27T19:02:21Z")
And to say an alliance wont care… trust me when peeps are on coms saying we NEED to fight this… they will try. If not they are a bad group… Imagin blowing up frat staging or brave staging. It would be a super fight that… even better mj or 1dq Now thats a battle!! ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/27 "2023-09-27T19:03:11Z")
> [@Boags](#): > > It works in wormholes… no cries there for assest safety. That’s because WHers are rewarded with really good ISK faucets, gas, PI, and seclusion from a lot of New Eden. Vastly different from what K-space deals with. We don’t have what WH space has. ---
**Author:** ![Boags](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boags/32/382554_2.png) [@Boags](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Boags)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/28 "2023-09-27T19:03:54Z")
So how did you get 80 mil m3 of ore 3 supers and 14 caps??? Null that bad? ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/29 "2023-09-27T19:04:40Z")
Never said null was bad. All I said was WH space is different from what K-space deals with. I am a WH person myself. I love the seclusion from New Eden and I will take the con that we don’t get asset safety because of this very large tactical advantage. ---
**Author:** ![Boags](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boags/32/382554_2.png) [@Boags](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Boags)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/30 "2023-09-27T19:06:13Z")
Sorry i just dont agree with u ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/31 "2023-09-27T19:06:35Z")
And we will have to agree to disagree. 🙂 But we BOTH know asset safety is not going away. We are beating a dead horse on this topic. ---
**Author:** ![Boags](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boags/32/382554_2.png) [@Boags](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Boags)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/32 "2023-09-27T19:07:07Z")
Im a wormholer too. Null is far easier to make isk… hulks on a r64 make dank isk ---
**Author:** ![Boags](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boags/32/382554_2.png) [@Boags](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Boags)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/33 "2023-09-27T19:07:54Z")
No it wont i was at fanfest asking the exact question… ---
**Author:** ![starhunter11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/starhunter11/32/433357_2.png) [@starhunter11](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/starhunter11)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/34 "2023-09-27T19:41:16Z")
Then there is no chance for eve forever ---
**Author:** ![Boags](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boags/32/382554_2.png) [@Boags](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Boags)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/35 "2023-09-27T19:47:21Z")
My ask was reduce cap costs make sites more profitable. Slowly eradicate asset safety. Ie titans supers 1st then work your way down until there is zero assest safety. Add more risk… but also add way more reward. ---
**Author:** ![Boags](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boags/32/382554_2.png) [@Boags](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Boags)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/36 "2023-09-27T19:49:21Z")
Also make good sites for caps. Beacons are just not enough isk gor the risk in my mind… 3 hulks make more isk than a super on a beacon. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/37 "2023-09-27T20:01:37Z")
> [@Boags](#): > > Then use your 14 caps to fight the battle for the station. What? Fight for your station because you don’t want to lose what is stored there - or prevent the enemy from even looting it? What horrible logic is that? 0.0 alliances _can’t do that_. As 0.0 resident you have a goddamn _right_ to keep all your assets safely and send them away with one click. What a _ridiculous_ idea to fight for your own stuff, laughable. Without asset safety no one could even _live there_. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/38 "2023-09-27T20:15:07Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Without asset safety no one could even _live there_. maybe this is correct, but i´m sure if assat saftey is not 100% then there is no structure spamming on 200 systems of your own which you cant realy use for your own. and whats with this → " Dont fly a ship you cant affort to lose ! / Dont drop a Station if you cant Defend it " if theres a guy with 3 supers, 14 caps, and millions of 80+ m³ Minerals then he need to defend it ! he´s the Capital / Super Capital Builder of his Corp / Alliance so there is a need to defend it. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/39 "2023-09-27T20:29:37Z")
You do get the Irony in my posts, do you? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/40 "2023-09-27T20:34:21Z")
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