# When they finally stop asset safety **URL:** \ **Category:** PvP Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [September 27, 2023, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969 "2023-09-27T09:57:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Posh\_Wynoa\_Spice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/posh_wynoa_spice/32/455534_2.png) [@Posh\_Wynoa\_Spice](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Posh_Wynoa_Spice)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/41 "2023-09-27T21:34:48Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > The idea is to promote long-term living in upwell stations vs NPC stations. I Then give highsec and lowsec sanctums, R32 and R64, and the full industry bonuses that Nullsec gets. Why should High sec and lowsec have the same risk as nullsec, but so much less reward? None of the risk, all of the reward, and it created entire alliances filled with risk-averse twats that are used to getting everything handed to them – half the reason why the curent era of stagnation exists (the other half are the devs who prioritize and privilege nullsec with the ability to continue doing so). The only other thing that even comes close to the zero risk high income piece is C6 WH farmhole stuff, but that is still second as it takes a good bit of work to set up, and and is very limited on how many people can gain from them due to limits in site spawning that do not exist in NS. > [@Boags](#): > > It works in wormholes… no cries there for assest safety. No, it was the opposite. We fought to keep asset safety out of WH space because we could clearly see how detrimental it would be. And it took the thick headed devs a while to realizing that we were serious about it. And, once again, several years later, all of the bad things that we were saying about asset safety have come to pass. ---
**Author:** ![Azazod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azazod/32/336190_2.png) [@Azazod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azazod)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/42 "2023-09-27T21:41:09Z")
This isn’t going to happen. It doesn’t matter how much you cry about it. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/43 "2023-09-27T22:40:52Z")
> [@Boags](#): > > I totally disagree… war should pay. If your worried store your stuff in npc stations. Go on a break… move your stuff to npc stations. Simple Guess you missed my other reply which was #6 post in this thread: > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > I keep all my assets in High Sec NPC stations. ---
**Author:** ![starhunter11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/starhunter11/32/433357_2.png) [@starhunter11](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/starhunter11)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 3:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/44 "2023-09-28T03:29:32Z")
That’s yor good right but then you should not be able to profit from the good production or refining bonuses in 00 or you have to take the risk to move it there if you want to build something with that stuff And to say something is not gonna happen is just because a lot people don’t see the advantage of the content and the ecosystem health. If they really make it more rewarding to live in 00 why there should be also not more risk in losing the stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/45 "2023-09-28T10:12:21Z")
> [@starhunter11](#): > > If they really make it more rewarding to live in 00 why there should be also not more risk in losing the stuff. There’s already more than enough risk in null sec, created by players. Now, if only CCP would stop removing players from null sec (traveling, living, working, be in space) via insta travel and insta rewards and instanced PVE, there would be even more risk. ---
**Author:** ![starhunter11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/starhunter11/32/433357_2.png) [@starhunter11](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/starhunter11)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/46 "2023-09-28T10:51:47Z")
Not at all it’s still high sec with bubbles and cynos I guess you live even more dangerous around jita then living somewhere in 00 but the rewards there are higher ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/47 "2023-09-28T13:10:21Z")
This is not going to happen. I am too tired to actually talk about it further because I am positive CCP is not going to touch asset safety for a long long time. They saw what happened when they did the abandonment with citadels mechanic, and it won’t go beyond that. People (INCLUDING ME) got angry over it. 😂 I was like 2 weeks late coming back to EVE to move my 1 incursion vindicator 😕 I have moved on since then but still. 🤷 **This is just beating a dead horse as old as the mechanic itself.** ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/48 "2023-09-28T16:44:23Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > This is not going to happen. I am not so convinced. Nobody can betray math forever, it might go for a long time, especially with devs as stubborn as the CCP ones. But inevitably the economic crash will follow the inevitable asset inflation. I really don’t want to “punish” anyone or “take away” stuff from anyone, but a mechanic that basically enables the players in nullsec to harvest & produce stuff forever and enable them to magically beam it all away if danger arises simply can’t last forever. The amounts of assets the players amass (especially capital fleets and production mats) will rise to a point where even CCP will realize that this asset stockpiling game becomes pointless. I know people will cry and howl and claim that CCP is _ruining the game_ for them when the nerfs to Asset Safety will come, but they _will come_ at some point. Maybe in a year, maybe in two years. Maybe later. But they will come. Changes to this system are imho completely inevitable. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/49 "2023-09-28T18:10:07Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > I am not so convinced. Nobody can betray math forever, it might go for a long time, especially with devs as stubborn as the CCP ones. Yah it will be a long time. Measured in CCP time. 🤭 ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/50 "2023-09-28T20:20:22Z")
Agree with this… Would then have to deal with the problem of force projection imo. If asset safety is removed the big guys will fly across the universe to pillage the small guys stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Posh\_Wynoa\_Spice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/posh_wynoa_spice/32/455534_2.png) [@Posh\_Wynoa\_Spice](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Posh_Wynoa_Spice)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/51 "2023-09-28T21:06:47Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > The amounts of assets the players amass (especially capital fleets and production mats) will rise to a point where even CCP will realize that this asset stockpiling game becomes pointless. This already happened. CCP’s solution was to drastically raise the cost of manufacturing those ships. Now, it costs 5x as much as it used to to build one, and takes 5x as long. It did nothing to change the NS stockpiles, and everything for prohibiting smaller groups from getting into or using capitol ships. Titans got only slightly more expensive, and super carriers remained about the same in the grand scheme of things – aka, the nullsec exclusive items were barely impacted. just a shaft to lowsec. > [@Syzygium](#): > > but they _will come_ at some point. or eve continues to degrade in player count. I’d prefer asset safety get addressed, but technically there are other things that can happen. ---
**Author:** ![Azazod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azazod/32/336190_2.png) [@Azazod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azazod)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/52 "2023-09-28T23:32:25Z")
Couldn’t people just put everything of value in the null NPC stations though? ---
**Author:** ![Posh\_Wynoa\_Spice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/posh_wynoa_spice/32/455534_2.png) [@Posh\_Wynoa\_Spice](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Posh_Wynoa_Spice)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/53 "2023-09-29T00:27:41Z")
which is the point. if you want to put up a citadel in enemy territory, and then load it with 100 dreads…you wouldn’t magically lose none of them when you decide to not protect the citadel from a larger force. They all get magicked to safety, and then you can try again ad infinum only losing a single structure each time. and when it is that same story for both sides of the “war”, it’s complete stagnation where nothing changes. ---
**Author:** ![Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mindahouf_davaham/32/379996_2.png) [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mindahouf_Davaham)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/54 "2023-09-29T02:11:32Z")
you know what he has a point though this like blueprints should still have a 50% chance to go into asset as there just peaces of paper not a massive ship ---
**Author:** ![starhunter11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/starhunter11/32/433357_2.png) [@starhunter11](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/starhunter11)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 2:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/55 "2023-09-29T02:37:11Z")
Blueprints have such a small volume you can just stuff them in a dst to safe them and sit in that ship basically everyone can do that even an alpha ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 3:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/56 "2023-09-29T03:59:37Z")
> [@starhunter11](#): > > basically everyone can do that even an alpha ![2023-09-29 00_58_38-EVE - impel](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/3/b/63b7a7a1e730bf93832b32c4c87f515a3332d339.png) 🫠 ---
**Author:** ![Posh\_Wynoa\_Spice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/posh_wynoa_spice/32/455534_2.png) [@Posh\_Wynoa\_Spice](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Posh_Wynoa_Spice)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 4:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/57 "2023-09-29T04:08:00Z")
> [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > 🫠 you know damn well he meant to say rookie ship. ---
**Author:** ![starhunter11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/starhunter11/32/433357_2.png) [@starhunter11](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/starhunter11)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 4:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/58 "2023-09-29T04:55:45Z")
Then use an iteron whatever ---
**Author:** ![Boags](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boags/32/382554_2.png) [@Boags](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Boags)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/59 "2023-09-29T06:15:04Z")
Exacly ! ---
**Author:** ![starhunter11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/starhunter11/32/433357_2.png) [@starhunter11](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/starhunter11)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 9:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969/60 "2023-09-29T09:44:48Z")
And more experienced players can use a freighter or jump freighter I would say that’s over 1mio m3 asset seafty [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/when-they-finally-stop-asset-safety/421969.md?page=4)