# Where are new characters getting killed? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** alpha, pvp\ **Created:** [February 27, 2018, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007 "2018-02-27T02:08:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/279 "2018-03-02T12:27:20Z")
> [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](#): > > Another thread Salvoshed. Apparently according to you and some others, I’m the greatest troll this board has ever seen. If you think that is true, then you need to step up your game, bigly. If this is how you want to play the game, I’m ready. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/280 "2018-03-02T12:29:35Z")
> [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](#): > > This forum is the the strangest forum I have ever been on … We are like a family here. Salvos is just the creepy uncle no one likes, who gets drunk at every gathering. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/281 "2018-03-02T12:31:50Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > We are like a family here. Salvos is just the creepy uncle no one likes, who gets drunk at every gathering. And you are like the cousin at gatherings that keeps trying to diddle other cousins, and disappears to sniffs panties in the laundry room. What a family we are. * * * Or we could discuss where new characters are being killed, and why. I did. And see what happened. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/282 "2018-03-02T12:34:28Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > to sniffs panties in the laundry room. It’s getting creepy again uncle Salvos ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/283 "2018-03-02T12:35:02Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > to sniffs panties in the laundry room. > > It’s getting creepy again uncle Salvos Then stop doing it, cousin Ima. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/284 "2018-03-02T12:40:37Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > If you think that is true, then you need to step up your game, bigly. Lol Because you think we’re trolls right? Afaik none of us have a word for threads we _destroy_ because none of us actually destroyed any given thread 😃 You should really stop posting mate, you seem really angry ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/285 "2018-03-02T12:41:02Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Because you think we’re trolls right? **I know you are.** Was this your best shot? No video? Nothing more than a short, weak post that I turned on its head and wrecked with only 4 words? > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > You should really stop posting mate, you seem really angry Do I seem angry to you in the vids? If anything I’m disappointing at your weak rebuttals. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/286 "2018-03-02T12:50:47Z")
@CCP_Falcon I wonder, why is this guy still allowed to post with a record of derailing threads? I mean, there’s literally a word for it now… I’ve been banned twice so far for things that weren’t this bad or baity lol… ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/287 "2018-03-02T12:56:02Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > I’ve been banned twice so far for things that weren’t this bad or baity lol… Disputing a ban is an offense. Hell, even I have only been banned once. That makes you look pretty bad, doesnt it. Will your third be permanent? Lol your appeal to authority, trying to dig yourself out of something you yourself started. If this is how you want to play, then lets play. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/6/1/b61ea68b777a4e8465818bdb23143828ba1c822b.jpeg "Is this anger") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwHgQ-mxEZA) ---
**Author:** ![Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sindara_t_soni/32/242945_2.png) [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sindara_T_Soni)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/288 "2018-03-02T12:57:02Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Was this your best shot? > > No video? I know I’ve said before that I’m not going to jump down the rabbit hole that leads to Salvos world, but please, indulge me for a moment … How are other people trolls for not posting completely off topic videos into a thread, and how are you not a troll for posting videos of you pouring salt into a bowl instead of discussing the topic? I would genuinely love to know how that logic works (in your mind, at least). 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/289 "2018-03-02T13:01:20Z")
> [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](#): > > How are other people trolls for not posting completely off topic videos into a thread, and how are you not a troll for posting videos of you pouring salt into a bowl instead of discussing the topic? Read the thread and you will see. If this is how they want to play, then lets play. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/290 "2018-03-02T13:11:36Z")
You want ontopic, now, at last? Here is ontopic: ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/291 "2018-03-02T13:17:50Z")
@EveDataRules I wonder, N=x Is x the total of deaths, or the actual number of different players? Didn’t get that part (might have read over it heheh) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/292 "2018-03-02T13:24:12Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Is x the total of deaths, or the actual number of different players? Didn’t get that part (might have read over it heheh) You are confusing players with characters, which shows you’ve been missing the point all along. There is no way to detect “players”, only characters. The data collection method/presentation is detailed in its description. Yes, you “read over it”. Which is not surprising coming from you. (heheh) Great faceplant, again. 10/10. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/293 "2018-03-02T13:27:11Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Or we could discuss where new characters are being killed, and why. > > I did. And see what happened. Your last on-topic contribution to this thread was asking individuals if we thought that the “new players” dying in lowsec are actual new players or if they are alts. You were given clear, direct, and logical answers and you devolved into what you see if you scroll up a bit. Others like Drac said that there was merit in your counter-opinion and the way you can break down a thought process to provide a sound counter-argument but I haven’t seen that at all. I just see name calling and a CLEAR need to ignore or troll when someone brings sound logic against you. Sure a lot of us here can be troll’ey at times, but for the most part we know how to engage in a discussion. I’ve yet to see that level of maturity from you. I don’t really think your views are valued here. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/294 "2018-03-02T13:28:45Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > You are confusing players with characters, which shows you’ve been missing the point all along. There is no way to detect “players”, only characters. This was exactly my point I was making when you were asking everyone if we thought it was new players or alts of older players dying in lowsec that is represented in the data… There’s no way for us to soundly know, so assumptions are useless. Move on. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/295 "2018-03-02T13:29:22Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > Your last on-topic contribution to this thread was asking individuals if we thought that the “new players” dying in lowsec are actual new players or if they are alts. False. My last ontopic contribution to this thread was here: > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > You want ontopic, now, at last? > > Here is ontopic: > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlijS\_viWbQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlijS_viWbQ) ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/296 "2018-03-02T13:32:29Z")
Try to be more constructive and less, idk, insulting @Salvos_Rhoska At least your intentions are clear through your honesty… Btw, the backtracking… whew ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/297 "2018-03-02T13:47:29Z")
Dom, its quite simple. Just dont fk with me, unless you want me to fk you back. I’m not a push-over. I will hit back even harder and wont stop till you do. Neither of us need the extra hassle. * * * Returning to topic, unless someone can think of a 3rd demographic, the NS new character attrition rate has to be either majority alts, or genuine new players. Thats a fact. Which it is, is up for rational conjecture, until such time as someone can provide data either way. ---
**Author:** ![EveDataRules](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/evedatarules/32/52946_2.png) [@EveDataRules](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/EveDataRules)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/298 "2018-03-02T13:50:46Z")
@Zircon_Dasher 30 vs. 120 days back. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007.md?page=15)