# Where are new characters getting killed? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** alpha, pvp\ **Created:** [February 27, 2018, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007 "2018-02-27T02:08:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/319 "2018-03-02T14:51:23Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > I didn’t know a good life lesson was a _whine/excuse wall of text_ > > Way to dig deeper mate Idgaf about his life lessons. I just browsed it for anything relevant to EVE or topic, and there was none. This isnt a self-help forum, its an EVE forum. Do you want to hear my life story now? Will that make a difference? ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/320 "2018-03-02T14:51:45Z")
I’m hoping to resub soon. I’ve had a lot of admin stuff lately and I’m waiting for when things calm down a bit with the whole starting a new life and career thing. EVE is a game that I want to commit to, not just log in, update my skills, then watch TV. Lately, I’ve only had the energy for Daredevil, DCS, and some casual Elite: Dangerous. I’ll be back properly soon, though, hopefully by April. You know I will or I wouldn’t have come to the forums to get a feel for the game’s current atmosphere. Not much has changed tbh 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/321 "2018-03-02T14:56:46Z")
Great, this is now a Remiel’s life thread. Why dont you open up a Patreon and link it here for cash. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/322 "2018-03-02T14:57:19Z")
Because I’m not a hyper-emotional pussy like you. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/323 "2018-03-02T14:58:01Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > Because I’m not a hyper-emotional pussy like you. Then why the wall of whine/“my life” post? None of which was relevant to topic or EVE? “Pussy”. Seriously? ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/324 "2018-03-02T15:00:10Z")
It was very relevant to EVE, actually. You didn’t even read it, so how could you possibly know the content? You either read it, or you didn’t, mate. Can’t have it both ways. And if you read it, you know it wasn’t a whine. It was an explanation of why you’re a pathetic crackpot with no real investment in this game, and you’re just arguing for it’s own sake. It’s all you ever do. Even now, you’re going to argue with this just because it’s an argument. If arguing is the highlight of your life, you need a hobby. Maybe you can be a beanie model, except I wouldn’t recommend the one your mother made you in that video. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/325 "2018-03-02T15:02:22Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > It was very relevant to EVE, actually. How? Where? Show me the parts relevant to EVE, much less the topic of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/326 "2018-03-02T15:03:54Z")
I mean, the post is right there for you to read for yourself. You’re the one saying you didn’t read it. You do you, buddy. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/327 "2018-03-02T15:04:10Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Now thread is derailed to discuss salt. > > Good job, guys. Hahahahaha…that is so funny. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/328 "2018-03-02T15:07:46Z")
[You should see the video he made just for me](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o94vdAoYM5Y). I think I have an admirer. I’m kinda torn between laughing my head off, and worrying for his mental health. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/329 "2018-03-02T15:09:11Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > Now thread is derailed to discuss salt. > > > > Good job, guys. > > Hahahahaha…that is so funny. Now its derailed to Remiel’s life story. Good job, guys. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/330 "2018-03-02T15:10:34Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > I’m kinda torn between laughing my head off, and worrying for his mental health. Seriously? You want to go THERE? Or we can return to topic, as Ive been attempting all along before your interruptions. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/331 "2018-03-02T15:11:14Z")
See, arguing again. You’re obsessed. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Or we can return to topic, as Ive been attempting all along before your interruptions. “Fk with me and I fk with you” yeah, you’re tryin’ real hard to stay on topic, aren’t you. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/332 "2018-03-02T15:11:44Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > See, arguing again. You’re obsessed. I’m obsessed because I answer a post addressed to me, and argue its content? Hmm… Remiel. > [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > yeah, you’re tryin’ real hard to stay on topic, aren’t you. Yes. Are you? Doesnt look like it. I even made a vid: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/6/9/b69afac1947482cf13a9f1db26736a8c572be164.jpeg "NSNCA: Alts vs Noobs") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2qE4kmXSOo) ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/333 "2018-03-02T15:15:53Z")
Never said I was trying to stay on topic. I came here specifically to laugh at you. ---
**Author:** ![CowQueen\_MMXII](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cowqueen_mmxii/32/446332_2.png) [@CowQueen\_MMXII](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CowQueen_MMXII)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/334 "2018-03-02T15:16:10Z")
It’s nothing less than astonishing how some of you manage to bury every valid thread (you know, those with actual content worth discussing) under a ■■■■ load of self centered bickering. * * * > [@Saeger1737](#): > > I think the Null stat is mostly cyno alt I doubt that. There is no real reason to create those repeatedly. You do this once and use them for years - unless there was a sudden, massive increase in cap pilots or a massive influx of new people in Null overall. Based on [EVE-Offline :: EVE-Online Status monitor](http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility) there are around 4k new chars created on any day (estimated average for the last three months). This totals in a pool of 360k chars that has those ~19k losses → on average just above every 20th char is killed at least once. When I look at the kill distribution, I see two groups: 1. the “can’t read or think they know what they are doing” group 2. the “got ■■■■■■” group Group 1 is everyone that wanders somewhere that has an explicit warning sign (low, null, wh) and group 2 is the rest that was “overwhelmed” by game mechanics (either ganked or something that is not sufficiently explained). Group 2 consists at most of the 14.7% kills that happen in high sec and at least of those 2.4% that got ganked. This means that merely between 0,125% and 0,7% of all new characters die without explicit consent to the danger of getting shot. Obviously, of those 360k chars only a fraction is actively played (otherwise the login count would most likely be much higher). To put those kill numbers in perspective, it would be nice to know not only how many new chars are new players, but also how many live their Eve lives happily without getting killed and where. * * * > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I’m obsessed because I answer a post addressed to me, and argue its content? You know, either of you could just choose not to answer off-topic stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/335 "2018-03-02T15:16:46Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > Never said I was trying to stay on topic. I came here specifically to laugh at you. Then maybe you should gtfo instead of posting off-topic and wrecking the thread with your irrelevant life stories. But you cant stop, can you. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/336 "2018-03-02T15:17:40Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Then maybe I should gtfo instead of posting off-topic and wrecking the thread with my irrelevant videos and threats to fk with people. FTFY. ---
**Author:** ![Zerzei\_Azagoth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zerzei_azagoth/32/33192_2.png) [@Zerzei\_Azagoth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zerzei_Azagoth)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/337 "2018-03-02T15:17:54Z")
I don’t have a passionate opinion on the topic but when i was new i rolled 2 characters and lost the first in a WH on day 3 and the other in low sec shortly after. What i really wanted to say is that i enjoyed your video replies very much. It is refreshing to see a real human expose his ideas and with humour too! Good on you, don’t let the others get under your skin too much. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/338 "2018-03-02T15:23:09Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > Then maybe I should gtfo instead of posting off-topic and wrecking the thread with my irrelevant videos and threats to fk with people. > > FTFY. Misquoting is a forum violation. You just keep piling them on. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007.md?page=17)