# Where are new characters getting killed? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** alpha, pvp\ **Created:** [February 27, 2018, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007 "2018-02-27T02:08:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/141 "2018-03-01T17:12:16Z")
> [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > It is in American English So… still not a word :dealwithitparrot: ---
**Author:** ![Sebat\_Hadah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sebat_hadah/32/248462_2.png) [@Sebat\_Hadah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sebat_Hadah)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/142 "2018-03-01T17:13:23Z")
maybe you are not understanding the point of “the perfect solution”. leave the discord channel. leave their corps/alliance…whatever. block those you dont like in game so they cant harass you. Shitposters gonna shitpost. you cant stop people from doing what they are going to do. just deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Sebat\_Hadah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sebat_hadah/32/248462_2.png) [@Sebat\_Hadah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sebat_Hadah)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/143 "2018-03-01T17:13:45Z")
you crack me up. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/144 "2018-03-01T17:16:20Z")
> [@Sebat\_Hadah](#): > > leave the discord channel. I did. > [@Sebat\_Hadah](#): > > leave their corps/alliance I am not in them. nor is the corp/alliance the problem. These individuals are. > [@Sebat\_Hadah](#): > > block those you dont like in game so they cant harass you. They dont have the means to harras me ingame. > [@Sebat\_Hadah](#): > > Shitposters gonna shitpost. you cant stop people from doing what they are going to do. just deal with it. Agreed. The problem is that others dont seem to get that they are shitposters. Its frankly hilarious how much ■■■■■■■■ these specific posters are allowed, whereas anyone that calls them on it, is crucified as the “aggressor”. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/145 "2018-03-01T17:19:27Z")
Want to share with everyone how you literally had a mental breakdown and went on a name calling spree? You’re unstable as ■■■■. ---
**Author:** ![Sebat\_Hadah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sebat_hadah/32/248462_2.png) [@Sebat\_Hadah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sebat_Hadah)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/146 "2018-03-01T17:23:12Z")
Quote this one to… Mute this forum post and move on. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/147 "2018-03-01T17:25:17Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > Want to share with everyone how you literally had a mental breakdown and went on a name calling spree? You’re unstable as ■■■■. Lol. “Literally”. You just cant help yourself, can you. ---
**Author:** ![Sebat\_Hadah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sebat_hadah/32/248462_2.png) [@Sebat\_Hadah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sebat_Hadah)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/148 "2018-03-01T17:26:47Z")
Lol…YOU @Salvos_Rhoska cant help yourself can you? You will not win. Keep feeding the fire. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/149 "2018-03-01T17:32:56Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > They dont have the means to harras me ingame. Easy when you don’t log on 😂😂 And don’t you think you’re the problem when many people say you are? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/150 "2018-03-01T17:34:32Z")
I wont 💩 up the thread with this, but if anyone is interested in seeing his toxic behavior, I’m more than happy to share screenshots. Just mail me in-game. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/151 "2018-03-01T17:36:18Z")
This is how they operate. It is deliberate and calculated. See? All this, just to avoid answering whether they think the NS new character attrition stat is majority genuine new players, or extant player character alts. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/152 "2018-03-01T17:49:31Z")
All this so that people see you for what you are 😉 And no one is obliged to answer you, which is why no one is 😃 > [@Sebat\_Hadah](#): > > i gave you “the perfect solution”. go make friends somewhere else and stop whining. i mean this is totally pointless. See, you even actively ignore people who try to help you (lol) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/153 "2018-03-01T17:51:54Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > And no one is obliged to answer you, which is why no one is 😃 And yet you expect others to answer you. Bad troll is bad. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/154 "2018-03-01T18:00:11Z")
But they do, because I’m not a toxic player like you say I am. I’m blunt, but I’m fair. That’s the difference between us 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/155 "2018-03-01T18:16:57Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > I’m blunt, but I’m fair. > That’s the difference between us 🙂 No. The difference between us is I’m honest, and you aren’t. Your fairness? Lol. You wont even answer a simple question put to you: Do you think the majority of NS new character attrition as shown in the graphs, is from genuine new players, or extant player alts? ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/156 "2018-03-01T18:26:22Z")
Looolllll Keep thinking you’re honest Not replying to any of your future _superior and honest_ comments 😂😂😂😂 ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_ayeipsia/32/23528_2.png) [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Ayeipsia)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/157 "2018-03-01T18:31:10Z")
Look, for the new players in NS, let’s look at this another way… First off, cyno alts are not limited to nul sec. They are used in low as well, and it’s possible for a string of new cyno alts to be created to travel from hi sec, through low, to nul. So saying cyno alts are a NS phenomenon is not accurate. Additionally, most cyno alts are going to get to their destination intact. The owner knows enough to either scout ahead, travel by an interceptor, or at off hours to get to their destination. This means that chances are, cyno alts will it be killed when actively using the cyno. So why not filter the data dump to remove kills with a cyno module equipped? This would rule out most cyno alts in low and nul. As for why new players go to nul, because they ignore the exact same warning that suggests they not go to low sec. Take a syayemike Orovelle. In one direction is Oulley,a low sec system. In the other direction is PF-. New players don’t tend to know the difference between nul and low. They pick both directions when traveling and trying to find new content. I was talking to a new player who ended up in syndicate. He was in a venture looking for better ore. However he had no real clue and was amazed at how dangerous the rats were. He had simply went into low then kept traveling. And here’s the thing, yes low sec gates are camped but not as much as nul sec. I traced through Cal/gal faction warfare the other night, not a single camp the 13 jumps. One jump into into nul to finish my trip, mobile bubbles off the gate. So I think you are giving a bit too much credit to the newbie deaths in nul being all cyno alts and such. Cyno alts also occur in low sec, and most people in need of a cyno alt know how to get it in place without losing a ship. Newbies on the other hand don’t necessarily have a clue about the difference between low and nul, seeing both as simply not hi sec, so travel into nul without a clue. And since gate camps in nul are far more effective with bubbles, they catch more than even low sec camps do. So my guess, far more of the newbies dying in nul are truly new players a d not alts. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/158 "2018-03-01T18:32:10Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Keep thinking you’re honest Ive always been honest and real. Its whom I am. Can you say the same? I dont think so. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Do you think the majority of NS new character attrition as shown in the graphs, is from genuine new players, or extant player alts? Answer this, as its been asked for the upteenth time. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/159 "2018-03-01T18:42:15Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > I wouldn’t. In the absence of data to validate it, any opinion is meaningless and no better than any other unvalidated alternative. > > It’s why what the OP has done is great. It’s backed by data, but only for what it explains. Extrapolation to “it’s large numbers of cyno alts”, etc. means nothing. At most one could formulate a number of hypotheses/conjectures but without any data trying to determine which is more or less likely is just a never ending argument based on beliefs vs. actual data. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/160 "2018-03-01T18:45:08Z")
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