# Where are new characters getting killed? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** alpha, pvp\ **Created:** [February 27, 2018, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007 "2018-02-27T02:08:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/161 "2018-03-01T18:45:28Z")
But the gut feeling man It’s stronger than anything! ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/162 "2018-03-01T18:45:47Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > is just a never ending argument based on beliefs vs. actual data. The NS stat in the graphs is either majority attrition of genuine new players, or new alt characters of extant players. Why is everyone avoiding answering this? What are you so afraid of? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Razpataz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_razpataz/32/266831_2.png) [@Lord\_Razpataz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Razpataz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/163 "2018-03-01T18:46:51Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Why is everyone avoiding answering this? Can only speak for my self, but my mom told me not to feed the [trolls](https://forums.eveonline.com/u?order=post_count&period=all) ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_ayeipsia/32/23528_2.png) [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Ayeipsia)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/164 "2018-03-01T18:47:51Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > The NS stat in the graphs is either majority attrition of genuine new players, or new alt characters of extant players. > > Why is everyone avoiding answering this? I did not. I answered saying I think the majority are new players and listed reasons why. I also suggested that if you remove kills with cyno modules, you would eliminate a good percentage of the alt losses in nul and low sec showing more clearly the number of new players lost in nul and low. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/165 "2018-03-01T18:48:03Z")
> [@Lord\_Razpataz](#): > > Can only speak for my self, but my mom told me not to feed the trolls Feed, wreck or ignore them. I prefer the wreck option. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Razpataz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_razpataz/32/266831_2.png) [@Lord\_Razpataz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Razpataz)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/166 "2018-03-01T18:50:05Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > [@Lord\_Razpataz](#): > > > > Can only speak for my self, but my mom told me not to feed the trolls > > Feed, wreck or ignore them. > I prefer the wreck option. But… 😲 you are the [troll](https://forums.eveonline.com/u?order=post_count&period=all) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/167 "2018-03-01T18:51:19Z")
> [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](#): > > I answered saying I think the majority are new players and listed reasons why. I missed your answer, but I do appreciate it now that I see it, although I dont see the original post. Duly noted. You actually answered the question. o7 for that. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/168 "2018-03-01T18:51:58Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Why is everyone avoiding answering this? > > What are you so afraid of? Afraid of nothing, but merely noting there is no way to answer the question as to which hypothesis has the greatest support. You are asking what is basically and empirical question. In fact, in Bayesian statistics one solution is to formulate hypotheses and give them all equal probabilities, this is called using a non-informative prior. Then you observe the data, update those probabilities using Bayes rule and there you go, you look to see which hypothesis has the greater (conditional) probability of being true. You take that hypothesis as the one that is (conditionally) true. As you get more data you keep updating. And it is also possible that more than one hypothesis is true but that they have different magnitudes… But we don’t have any data at all…so it is all just conjecture that is based on prior beliefs. Why waste lots of time on _that?_ ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/169 "2018-03-01T18:54:19Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > Why waste lots of time on that? The thread is titled: “Where are new characters getting killed” The logical continuation of that, is what are those new characters being killed, and where. Hence the question I presented repeatedly. It is eminently important, to distinguish whether the NS new character attrition stat in the graphs is via genuine new players, or extant player alt new characters. ---
**Author:** ![Sebat\_Hadah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sebat_hadah/32/248462_2.png) [@Sebat\_Hadah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sebat_Hadah)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/170 "2018-03-01T18:54:56Z")
@Salvos_Rhoska dude you are just hilarious. I dont even know what to say anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/171 "2018-03-01T18:56:27Z")
> [@Sebat\_Hadah](#): > > @Salvos_Rhoska dude you are just hilarious. I dont even know what to say anymore. Im not surprised you dont have anymore to say, because you never had anything to say to begin with. Thats your problem, not mine or the discussions. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/172 "2018-03-01T19:08:15Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > The thread is titled: > > “Where are new characters getting killed” Yes, and we can see where. Now you want to go beyond the limitations of the data…that takes us into the realm of beliefs without the data. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > It is eminently important, to distinguish whether the NS new character attrition stat in the graphs is via genuine new players, or extant player alt new characters. Sure, but you have gone beyond the limitations of the data. Data is only as good as the limitations of that data. Going beyond it we won’t be able to get definitive answers. But keep asking for answers to a question that is, ATM, largely meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![Sebat\_Hadah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sebat_hadah/32/248462_2.png) [@Sebat\_Hadah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sebat_Hadah)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/173 "2018-03-01T19:26:07Z")
Geez your a sad little twerp arent you. Refuse help from,everyone. No wonder people are dogging on you. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/174 "2018-03-01T19:34:46Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/5/15628acc6700fdb91a02bc4fb6706643aede0f3f.png) please don’t ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/175 "2018-03-01T19:36:24Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > that takes us into the realm of beliefs without the data. Its either majority of true new players, or alt character of extant players. What part of that do you not compute? > [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > But keep asking for answers to a question that is, ATM, largely meaningless. If it is so meaningless, then why not answer it, even as conjecture? Seriously, wtf is your guys issue with avoiding this simple question. What are you afraid of? Does it reveal something against your interests? ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/176 "2018-03-01T19:36:27Z")
It isn’t completely salvoshed yet. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/177 "2018-03-01T19:37:40Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > It isn’t completely salvoshed yet. The more you, Faylee and others provoke me with horsecrap, the harder I will Salvoshed the crap out of you. I’m not going to stand for your crap. Ive taken down far bigger liars/farces than any of you, many times before. This is not an issue for me. You just make it worse for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/178 "2018-03-01T19:39:56Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I will Savloshed the crap out of you. Bookmarked ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/179 "2018-03-01T19:40:51Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > I will Savloshed the crap out of you. > > Bookmarked Enjoy your pointless bookmark. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007/180 "2018-03-01T19:45:23Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Enjoy your pointless bookmark. How is it piontless? It’s basically you saying that you spam the forums because you have issues with other peoples opinion and are unable to have a normal discussion with them. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-new-characters-getting-killed/60007.md?page=10)