# Where are the heroes? **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [February 9, 2022, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-heroes/349168 "2022-02-09T09:18:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-heroes/349168/121 "2022-03-14T21:32:17Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > For dexample, CCP’s idea of “bounty-hunting” involved the _bounty hunters_ paying crime victims for the privilege of going after their attackers. They simp,y don’t _~get~_ it. But its the same with kill rights. I recall at first trying to get my head around the fact that someone had to _pay me_ in order for the person who ganked me to be killed. The complete opposite of a ‘bounty’…where I’d pay someone else to do it. I suppose me being paid helps make up some of my loss, but it does all seem a bit ass backwards. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-heroes/349168/122 "2022-03-14T21:33:27Z")
> [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > It 100 is null sec. Who do you think the player police forces would be? Large, efficient alliances. A police force doesn’t shoot everyone who’s not part of it. > [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > Why would hi sec be any different as soon as concord is gone? Because these groups wouldn’t be able to prevent anyone from docking in the NPC stations, and because they wouldn’t have the manpower to cover all sections of space, which would make them take losses from attrition and over-extension. This is why small war-dec groups are absolutely having their way with null-sec entities in high-sec. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > But its the same with kill rights. Yup that’s what I was referencing. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-heroes/349168/123 "2022-03-14T21:40:41Z")
> [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > It 100 is null sec. Who do you think the player police forces would be? Large, efficient alliances. CCP did not make nullsec the way it is, they simply got rid of concord there. Players made the huge alliances that control areas. Why would hi sec be any different as soon as concord is gone? Pandemic would put 200 man battleships fleets with logi and boosts in to 1 corner, Frat into another corner, Goons into another. And the same intel channels would go up, the same gate camps, the same home defense fleets. And if you came into town wearing the wrong colors, you get shot. I think Destiny replied best. There would have to be a specific ‘police force’ role…whose job was to protect everyone ( except criminals ). The full details would need working out, but it would not simply be nullsec carnage come to highsec. Basically we’re talking about replacing Concord…even if only partially…with actual people. Needless to say, like any police force they could also be subject to bribery, corruption, etc…but rules could be created for that too. A whole huge new area of content. ---
**Author:** ![Leggone\_Stracks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leggone_stracks/32/290900_2.png) [@Leggone\_Stracks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leggone_Stracks)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-heroes/349168/124 "2022-03-14T21:41:37Z")
Null Sec? ---
**Author:** ![Leggone\_Stracks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leggone_stracks/32/290900_2.png) [@Leggone\_Stracks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leggone_Stracks)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-heroes/349168/125 "2022-03-14T21:43:45Z")
They employ human beings, but they are owned and run by biz grads. And it’s all carefully filtered. But what herded money machine isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-heroes/349168/126 "2022-03-14T21:44:38Z")
Right. I think the entire game should be converted to wormholes. No highsec. No safe space for carebear AFK grinding. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-heroes/349168/127 "2022-03-14T21:52:34Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > There would have to be a specific ‘police force’ role…whose job was to protect everyone ( except criminals ). Right, but unless those people are granted special powers from CCP, where is that group coming from? Do they just organically appear in the new power vacuum? And if so, where are they now? Nobody is destroying ganker citadels now, why and how would they do it when FRAT shows up? I know how we think. We would handshake an alliance in hi sec areas, camp the crap out of jita and amarr, promise everyone safety in Perimeter, and cash checks from the TTT. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-heroes/349168/128 "2022-03-14T21:55:37Z")
> [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > where are they now? Uh, gankers are the sov holders in Highsec… ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-heroes/349168/129 "2022-03-14T21:57:16Z")
> [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > I know how we think. We would handshake an alliance in hi sec areas, camp the crap out of jita and amarr, promise everyone safety in Perimeter, and cash checks from the TTT. And then a competitor would emerge. Except instead of competing for direct membership in their null-sec pyramid scheme, they would now be competing for neutrals to act as vassals in the territories they control. So instead of shooting everything that moves in an area, they would protect those people instead in order to derive tax/protection income from them. This is in fact how low-sec technically operates today, except low-sec is devoid of activity because most players choose to go to high-sec instead since they are _given the choice_ for more safety at the expense of lower gains. Remove that choice, and the system would work much more like a realistic society with reasonable law enforcement. ---
**Author:** ![Leggone\_Stracks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leggone_stracks/32/290900_2.png) [@Leggone\_Stracks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leggone_Stracks)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-heroes/349168/130 "2022-03-14T22:09:32Z")
When they removed the ability to put people on a log on watch list without their consent, they made it harder to target folks. Maybe there could be an “Observation” deployable that could “Watch” for a list of folks if they show up in a System/Constellation//Region depending on the level of training on YASS (Yet Another Stupid Skill). New skill: Intel Operations. Must have Covert Ops to V to train it. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-heroes/349168/131 "2022-03-14T23:43:27Z")
> [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > null sec Inhabited by the F1 monkey ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-heroes/349168/132 "2022-03-14T23:57:36Z")
> [@Hans\_Devin](#): > > Then stations should have defenses befitting their size. A station the size of a super titan should have super titan technology and firepower. These capabilities should not be free but the consistency of applied technology in Eve is appalling. Applied technology and firepower correlate with size in this game but with horribly varied and convenient consistency. No. Period. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-heroes/349168/133 "2022-03-15T00:07:08Z")
You could have added that a lot of the space in a sta is taken up by storage, docking and processing space? Just guessing… ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-heroes/349168/134 "2022-03-15T00:15:08Z")
No I’m pretty sure all the space is filled with guns and doomsday weapons. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 12:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-heroes/349168/135 "2022-03-15T00:18:58Z")
Then why isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 12:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-heroes/349168/136 "2022-03-15T00:55:21Z")
You hold nothing ---
**Author:** ![Hans\_Devin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans_devin/32/373511_2.png) [@Hans\_Devin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans_Devin)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 3:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-heroes/349168/137 "2022-03-15T03:52:03Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > No. Period. LOL. These are not the stations you are looking for… ---
**Author:** ![Hans\_Devin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans_devin/32/373511_2.png) [@Hans\_Devin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans_Devin)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-heroes/349168/138 "2022-03-15T03:56:45Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > You could have added that a lot of the space in a sta is taken up by storage, docking and processing space? Just guessing… Fair point. And storage can be turned into a whole lot of whoop a$$… ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 4:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-heroes/349168/139 "2022-03-15T04:17:27Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Inhabited by the F1 monkey Correct. And the blops monkey. And the massive Indy monkey. And all of these monkeys will be dividing up hi sec if concord disappears and there is value or content to be had there. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-heroes/349168/140 "2022-06-13T04:18:26Z")
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