# Where are the wormholers? **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Tags:** wormhole\ **Created:** [November 12, 2021, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344 "2021-11-12T16:38:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344/43 "2021-11-15T01:49:40Z")
but but but, a solo dread can’t stop it… ---
**Author:** ![Cyrus\_Kurush](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cyrus_kurush/32/449556_2.png) [@Cyrus\_Kurush](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cyrus_Kurush)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344/44 "2021-11-15T01:50:54Z")
a solo anything cant stop anything of sufficient size ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344/45 "2021-11-15T02:08:47Z")
thats the argument, OP is a solo player and is mad cause of the frig holes. ---
**Author:** ![Zopp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zopp/32/296725_2.png) [@Zopp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zopp)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 6:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344/46 "2021-11-15T06:40:19Z")
Tell me you lost a dread to HK while krabbing without telling me you lost a dread to HK. ---
**Author:** ![Artanis\_Talander](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/artanis_talander/32/434619_2.png) [@Artanis\_Talander](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Artanis_Talander)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344/47 "2021-11-15T07:02:52Z")
There is risk to making money in this game. “I know how the mechanics work so I should be guaranteed safety” is a dogshit mentality, especially when this crap has been around so long that everyone knows how the mechanics work. If you want to be able to have a system to yourself where no one can jump in and kill you, consider highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Balling](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balling/32/296726_2.png) [@Balling](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balling)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 7:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344/48 "2021-11-15T07:45:33Z")
> [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](#): > > [Naglfar | Radimir Lenin | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/96500587/) Why did you link this 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Crime\_time](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/crime_time/32/410076_2.png) [@Crime\_time](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Crime_time)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344/49 "2021-11-15T08:37:19Z")
I have to say, I have been playing in the wormhole for about 10 years! Unfortunately, it is true that this year the wormhole is looking very bad. Many will now say Inner Hell/LZHK/HK is destroying the wormhole space! With Eviction-. That is Bull ■■■■! CCP is the one who is destroying the wormhole space more and more! With changes that make life in WH Space unimportant. I think there are 3-4 big PVP corps in High Class right now! Unfortunately posts like this don’t help to change anything! Because we are a minority in the game and they are not listened to! Well, let’s see until the last old hands will leave the game! o/ Crime Time ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344/50 "2021-11-15T09:38:32Z")
In other words they have more peeps than you and are winning. Welcome to oldest fact of warfare since we were single cell organisms. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Ermanelos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucas_ermanelos/32/446165_2.png) [@Lucas\_Ermanelos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucas_Ermanelos)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344/51 "2021-11-15T15:20:50Z")
this thread is a nullsec psyop ---
**Author:** ![Hink\_Yaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hink_yaken/32/247042_2.png) [@Hink\_Yaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hink_Yaken)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2021, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344/52 "2021-11-15T17:59:53Z")
> [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](#): > > Right now if you’re in a dread while a rage-rolled k162 shows, you die. There’s nothing you can do about it… and thats dogcrap. Thats why you can make 2b ISK/h. Your dread is payed after 3 hours, you still make plenty. > Escalations > Capitals can warp 1000km off grid, with no risk to themselves, and escalate you > Solution: Avengers spawn within 100km of the capital and have a signature size preference like drifters Combat probes + Sabre, ever heared of it? ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344/53 "2021-11-16T16:43:08Z")
2b isk per hour? That would mean 15 minute sites + drifter solo with no setup time. Obviously, you’ve never done it. Also ratting dreads are about 9b. ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344/55 "2021-11-16T16:45:50Z")
That’s great, but I don’t have 44 accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344/56 "2021-11-16T16:47:37Z")
I have many times and the answer is there is no counter play you just have to accept that it will happen from time to time and hope you make your money back first. A++ design. I asked you what the counter play was and you did not answer I ask you again what is the counter play? I wouldnt be surprised you don’t answer because there is no answer other than to deflect ---
**Author:** ![Hink\_Yaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hink_yaken/32/247042_2.png) [@Hink\_Yaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hink_Yaken)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344/57 "2021-11-16T17:17:42Z")
> [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](#): > > 2b isk per hour? That would mean 15 minute sites + drifter solo with no setup time. Nag and Rev can 2+1 Cycel Strongholds + Drifter Rev can 2+1 Cycel Garrison + Drifter So 15min + 2min (warp + slow down) = close to 600m ISK Dreads on public arent too expensive, so you should pay like 6,5b total. Lets make it 4 hours break even, whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344/58 "2021-11-16T17:58:22Z")
> [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](#): > > I have many times and the answer is there is no counter play you just have to accept that it will happen from time to time and hope you make your money back first. There doesn’t need to be counterplay to dying to make an activity profitable. Example: gankers know 100% they will die, but can gank for profit. Now I’m not saying there is no counterplay to getting caught in your dread, but if ‘certain death’ happens rarely enough the activity can still be profitable in the long run. Whether it is profitable I don’t know, ask wormholers. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344/59 "2021-11-16T18:43:52Z")
> [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](#): > > I have many times and the answer is there is no counter play you just have to accept that it will happen from time to time and hope you make your money back first. > > A++ design. > > I asked you what the counter play was and you did not answer I ask you again what is the counter play? I wouldnt be surprised you don’t answer because there is no answer other than to deflect I’m not deflecting. I’m simply saying that if the result of doing this behavior means you lose your ship 100% of the time, then nobody would do it. That’s obviously not the case. So that means there is either counterplay and your fellow wormholers have figured it out and you haven’t, or it means that the risk/reward is still sufficient that folks are willing to risk the ships because they’re making more than the cost to replace them. If either of those are true, then I don’t think this is a priority. ---
**Author:** ![Kanashio\_Koroshi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kanashio_koroshi/32/382581_2.png) [@Kanashio\_Koroshi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kanashio_Koroshi)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344/60 "2021-11-16T19:18:46Z")
Just do what I did. Let your subs lapse and wait another few months while the active player count drops. I’ll probably be doing the same thing pretty soon. I’m betting the margins of profit will be EXCELLENT at 10-15K average players. The next round of CSM’ll probably be brilliant around then. Edit: Oh hell, I didn’t get the numbers on something first. Can someone from one of the mega-pvp alliances post recruitment and retention numbers compared at 1Y 6Mo 3Mo, and 1Mo? Part of my predictions rely on a negative-feedback loop. EDIT 2: And this is a love-letter to CCP 6-months from now: Replace your Waterfall with a touch more SCRUM ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344/61 "2021-11-16T20:33:42Z")
> [@Kanashio\_Koroshi](#): > > Just do what I did. Let your subs lapse and wait another few months while the active player count drops. I’ll probably be doing the same thing pretty soon. I’m betting the margins of profit will be EXCELLENT at 10-15K average players. The next round of CSM’ll probably be brilliant around then. > Edit: Oh hell, I didn’t get the numbers on something first. Can someone from one of the mega-pvp alliances post recruitment and retention numbers compared at 1Y 6Mo 3Mo, and 1Mo? Part of my predictions rely on a negative-feedback loop. > > EDIT 2: And this is a love-letter to CCP 6-months from now: Replace your Waterfall with a touch more SCRUM Imagine being salty that you post on a forum of a game you no longer play. It just makes me cackle at the patheticness. > [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](#): > > I have many times and the answer is there is no counter play you just have to accept that it will happen from time to time and hope you make your money back first. > > A++ design. > > I asked you what the counter play was and you did not answer I ask you again what is the counter play? I wouldnt be surprised you don’t answer because there is no answer other than to deflect People already listed how. I mean if you want to control your hole solo, you gotta take the risks. If you’d invite others into your hole, maybe you’d have a better time? ---
**Author:** ![Kanashio\_Koroshi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kanashio_koroshi/32/382581_2.png) [@Kanashio\_Koroshi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kanashio_Koroshi)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344/62 "2021-11-16T21:58:53Z")
Oh I still play. I just tend to leave if things are too insulting and toxic and check again in six months. Every now and then I find a sweet spot usually lasting about a year. I’m very very patient. Eternally patient. This game is a spreadsheet, and I play it like one. Edit: Learn to read my numbers like they are me just watching the numbers. You are just a number to me. It’s not salt, it’s data science. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344/63 "2021-11-16T22:00:58Z")
Uh huh. Just a number huh? Yea. Someone takes this vidya game too seriously. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-wormholers/336344.md?page=4)