# Where have rewards gone? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 16, 2021, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500 "2021-06-16T18:46:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500/34 "2021-06-17T08:25:49Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > It’s possible your posts could break this rule here > > > CCP operate a zero-tolerance policy on abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers. This includes but is not limited to personal attacks, **trolling,** I didn’t single out a specific CCP employee or ISD Volunteer, my statement referenced the entire company. Funny thing is that my initial statement was flagged as unacceptable yet it has a dozen likes which is double the amount of any other statement in this thread. And if your example is the standard now then everybody who has mentioned CCP or ISD should have their post removed. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500/35 "2021-06-17T10:23:02Z")
> [@Ash\_Beldrulf](#): > > Where is the reward for risk a 82,000,000 isk battlecruiser? Doing lvl 3 mission in 82M battlecruiser is not very risky. That is why missions dont pay so much. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Sally](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_sally/32/268113_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Sally](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Sally)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500/36 "2021-06-17T15:28:20Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > That is why missions dont pay so much Then where is the incentive to even run them? Why should I waste my time running missions when my losses will be more than my gains? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500/37 "2021-06-17T15:41:35Z")
because a 82m BC should mow down Level 3’s… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500/38 "2021-06-17T16:37:51Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Sally](#): > > Then where is the incentive to even run them? Have you considered that nobody wants you to run them? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500/39 "2021-06-17T16:54:48Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Sally](#): > > Then where is the incentive to even run them? Why should I waste my time running missions when my losses will be more than my gains? To gain Standings, LP’s, ISK and Loot. Actually, if you like running missions then the main reason would be to have fun. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Sally](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_sally/32/268113_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Sally](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Sally)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500/40 "2021-06-17T16:59:04Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Have you considered that nobody wants you to run them? No, because I always do what I want within the rules regardless of what anybody wants. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Sally](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_sally/32/268113_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Sally](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Sally)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500/41 "2021-06-17T17:03:03Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Actually, if you like running missions then the main reason would be to have fun. I like running missions but not for the fun. I can have fun for free without paying CCP a cent. When I run missions it’s either for standing, LP or to reprocess anything that drops to complement my assortment of materials. But knowing that I will have losses more than gains is not fun at all, so no for the fun, yes for the rewards. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500/42 "2021-06-17T17:12:44Z")
Umm, what losses? If you pilot a ship that’s compatible with your skills, have it fit correctly and tactically engage the NPC’s, there shouldn’t be any losses. Now if you’re referring to mission invasion by others, the likelihood of that happening can be greatly reduced just by running agents in a less populated area, basically a location that’s not near a major Trade Hub. ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500/43 "2021-06-17T17:17:07Z")
Low-risk PvE content should have low rewards. If resources are easily farmed in safe spaces, they lose value, and you get inflation. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Sally](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_sally/32/268113_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Sally](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Sally)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500/44 "2021-06-17T17:22:28Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > what losses? Time, ammo and potentially a ship or two. Last time I ratted, two months ago, out of 20 destroyed rats only 8 had anything to salvage and out of those 8 only two had anything to reprocess besides the usual junk. So I used up missiles and shells to eliminate the rats only to return home on a deficit. I haven’t ran missions since then. ---
**Author:** ![Algathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algathas/32/397229_2.png) [@Algathas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algathas)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500/45 "2021-06-17T17:25:26Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Sally](#): > > So I used up missiles and shells to eliminate the rats only to return home on a deficit. Then if you are that cheap and bad, use lasers with T1 ammo and you wont have to worry about running out ever. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Sally](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_sally/32/268113_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Sally](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Sally)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500/46 "2021-06-17T17:26:08Z")
> [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > Low-risk PvE content should have low rewards. That’s entirely fine by me, even though I live in lowsec. If that’s considered “low-risk” area then I guess I can do without missions. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Sally](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_sally/32/268113_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Sally](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Sally)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500/47 "2021-06-17T17:27:03Z")
> [@Algathas](#): > > Then if you are that cheap and bad, use lasers with T1 ammo and you wont have to worry about running out ever Good idea. Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500/48 "2021-06-17T17:45:59Z")
Using either T2 cruise or faction cruise missiles, I come out in the plus for L4’s. If you think you aren’t making nothing running L3s with a bc, start doing L4’s then with the BC. Or use a drone boat for L3 like ishtar ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500/49 "2021-06-17T18:02:54Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Sally](#): > > > [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > > > Low-risk PvE content should have low rewards. > > That’s entirely fine by me, even though I live in lowsec. If that’s considered “low-risk” area then I guess I can do without missions. The **PvE** content is low risk. You cannot balance **PvE** rewards on **PvP** risk, as PvP risk is wildly mutable and outside of CCP control - they don’t choose when players are active and hunting. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500/50 "2021-06-17T18:05:43Z")
OK, you can’t count the time as a loss. Can’t count the munitions either. If you used a cargohold full of munitions to kill 20 NPC’s then you probably need to upgrade skills, munitions or weapons type, possibly all of them and maybe even ship class. Bottom line, there’s way too many variables affecting everything to just point out one specific thing as the problem. When I first started playing in 2008, I stayed in my Rifter Frigate for 9 months and max trained every single skill pertaining to that ship. As my skills progressed, I upgraded the fittings on my ship and advanced up in mission level. Eventually I was running level 3 encounter missions and completing them solo within the time bonus. Course by then my ship fit was using T2, Faction and Deadspace equipment. Unfortunately most of the wrecks would start despawning by the time I completed those missions so I then decided to jump into a Hurricane Battlecruiser as my second ship. That change was done rather quickly due to having most of the skills already max trained from piloting the Rifter for 9 months. And because of those skills my Hurricane Battleship easily breezed through the lv 3 missions with just a T2 fit. Anyway I’m way off track now, the best thing to do is remember the 5 P’s… **P** roper **P** lanning **P** revents **P** oor **P** erformance… ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500/51 "2021-06-17T18:22:40Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > aren’t making nothing You might want to fix that. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Sally](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_sally/32/268113_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Sally](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Sally)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500/52 "2021-06-17T18:41:40Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > If you used a cargohold full of munitions to kill 20 NPC’s then you probably need to upgrade skills, munitions or weapons type, possibly all of them and maybe even ship class. Yes, that’s what I need to do in fact. Wait until the right skills are all trained up to 5, that I can use t2 modules in a t2 ship ( yes t1 ship will work too! Gees! ) and just…wait. I guess I’ll go over to Elite while all those skills are training. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Sally](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_sally/32/268113_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Sally](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Sally)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500/53 "2021-06-17T18:42:32Z")
> [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > The **PvE** content is low risk. OH I didn’t know that. Okay, no more PvE for me. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-have-rewards-gone/316500.md?page=3)