# Where is my loot? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 19, 2025, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220 "2025-02-19T15:49:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220/21 "2025-02-19T19:10:12Z")
Loot has always been garbage drop rates. In the last few years CCP has made pretty much all forms of PVE unPLEXable. They’re trying to force everyone into paying to play and/or buy PLEX. I quit playing ‘their game’ (of forcing us to pay $$$) and cut over 20 accounts down to 1 and I just mess with the markets and occasionally run some PVE just to pew pew. BTW, how’s that GECKO market doing? 250 Mill in Jita right now? 😏 The game just isn’t fun anymore. I just use it as my own version of a new ‘Gazillionaire’ remember that game? ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220/22 "2025-02-19T19:13:58Z")
> [@Rocket\_Hellfire](#): > > GECKO market I remember when they went for 80 mil. 😉 But probably still can get them for 1 mil in Jita local. 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Sandi-1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sandi-1/32/378117_2.png) [@Sandi-1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sandi-1)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220/23 "2025-02-19T19:32:04Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > Because when it becomes obvious that someone lacks understanding in a general sense there is generally very little benefit from trying to explain details. Because if you cared about details, fact and had put in effort to get better you’d already have done so. There are a lot of (little) indications that tell us that you’re not really trying very hard to learn or do well, if you are not willing (or capable) of putting in that effort then why should someone else do it _for_ you? > > Had you made a different type of post, where you’re not crying, whining and blaming the game, then you might have had a different response. Choices \> consequences. You still have not answer the question. You did insult, or try to, but no answer in sight. And now you put yourself into same position where you are with your first answer- show me where do I “whine, blame the game, cry”? What you are showing is that you are starting to realize one simple truth- there is no more wiggle-wiggle room for you to dance. So you start to point fingers, insults are given, aggression is dialing up… all signs of someone who is not at the “you” with truth. * * * > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > The dps number is just a small part of the whole equation. What also matters very much is damage application, projection, piloting and overall knowledge of the specific sites and the mechanics at play in general. You boiling it down to “dps” is really telling in this regard. This quote tells us all your knowledge about the topic. Drones. Abyss ones. T5 abyss. Gila mastery 5. And you are talking about application for ships that have main DPS in their guns/missiles, you complete baboon. Me piloting my Gile 85km away from Karen makes difference in how my drone apply to it, does it now? Person that KNOWS would have read this and knew all that it needs not to say what you just typed: > [@Sandi-1](#): > > I have three sets of drones: “battleship” drones, “Fast” drones and “Apply” drones. > One for every type of enemy group. Enough said about yours and mine knowledge of the “application of the damage”. * * * > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > Abyss loot value lowers over time, due to more people doing it. So if you compare loot values of runs done 2-3 year ago to how it is now then that’s not going to be realistic. Beyond that loot drops differ per weather, some types just drop more overall value. ## Abyss loot goes up and down, left and right…same as keys for us to run it. What that has to do with anything else but with abyss itself? Loot % is the question. And also, not even that- but has NOTHING to do with the fact that most of provided numbers, especially of top isk earned are utter crap garbage info. If I ask abyss tracker I should be earning 60 mil per run of t5 gamma, and my runs are less then 50 average- before costs, something that eve community do not know what it means in big part. > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > It’s not filled with that at all, if the drones killed something and they are set to aggressive they will automatically find a new target and go for them. That’s not a bug or problematic, that’s literally a game mechanic which you can even disable. > > The more you type the more my realisation sets in about how you don’t know what you don’t know. I cant say anything but learn to read. I NEVER said that problem is: > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > if the drones killed something and they are set to aggressive they will automatically find a new target and go for them. Not EVER! However, I did say this: > [@Sandi-1](#): > > I learned long time ago that game loves to sent drones to enemy you did not told them to go to, not even aimed at. That is well known problem with a game, this forum is filled with questions why does that happen. Hmmmm, it seems I quoted your quote of what I said…funny how you failed to read it. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220/24 "2025-02-19T19:39:50Z")
> [@Sandi-1](#): > > where do I “whine, blame the game, cry”? Are you serious? > [@Sandi-1](#): > > Me piloting my Gile 85km away from Karen You never mention the gila and you being FAR away means drone travel time and your missiles are probably not (fully) used. Also it still has application issues. Just a dps number means very little, if you think this somehow tells the story then, again, it’s very telling. They’re medium drones and they suck in terms of application and speed, drone ships are very dependable but not fast clearers. > [@Sandi-1](#): > > f I ask abyss tracker The tracker… tracks. Like factual results. if yours differ then that’s rng or you’re doing a different type of site. > [@Sandi-1](#): > > it seems I quoted your quote of what I said…funny how you failed to read it. So what DID you mean then, specifically. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220/25 "2025-02-19T19:52:33Z")
> [@Sandi-1](#): > > When I go to abyss tracker everyone and their mother are getting T5 runs with bajilions loot value, but if their runs were actual, factual numbers and not manual input by players…well, numbers would probably be somewhat different. I do T5 for a living (and sometimes T6 when in the mood for a bit of a challenge) and I can confirm that the AbyssTracker Values are pretty much correct. Of course, when going in with a 4B ISK ship and spending 8B for “keys” (I think you mean filaments), you should make sure you don’t lose it. ---
**Author:** ![Sandi-1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sandi-1/32/378117_2.png) [@Sandi-1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sandi-1)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220/26 "2025-02-19T20:03:34Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > Are you serious? ## Yes. And still, you have not answer any of my questions. Not a single one regarding of your “opinions”. > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > You never mention the gila and you being FAR away means drone travel time and your missiles are probably not (fully) used. Also it still has application issues. Just a dps number means very little, if you think this somehow tells the story then, again, it’s very telling. They’re medium drones and they suck in terms of application and speed, drone ships are very dependable but not fast clearers. You never asked. All you do is assume things and apply your knowledge to situation that you had, that fit loosely to topic you are part of. ## Rest of the quote is you trying to get out of hole you yourself dug. > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > The tracker… tracks. Like factual results. if yours differ then that’s rng or you’re doing a different type of site. ## Oh, does it? Tracker…tracks? tell me, HOW does it…tracks? Tell us more about things you THINK you know something about… > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > So what DID you mean then, specifically. > [@Sandi-1](#): > > I learned long time ago that game loves to sent drones to enemy you did not told them to go to, not even aimed at. That is well known problem with a game, this forum is filled with questions why does that happen. Here, I will even spell it out: Aim at the enemy A, B and C. Send your drones to kill enemy A. Drones kill enemy A. Send your drones to kill enemy C. After one shoot, game decide it would be cool for one drone to go and attack enemy F, for “reasons”. In the mean time, while you expecting for that capacity draining enemy to be killed, you look and you wonder why it is only at 50% of the health??? Your cap gets drained and you are on one way trip to your home station. THAT is what I mean. Cool? ---
**Author:** ![Sandi-1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sandi-1/32/378117_2.png) [@Sandi-1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sandi-1)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220/27 "2025-02-19T20:09:06Z")
abyss tracker does not automatically upload runs, it requires you to put info in. Or did somerthing changed? Also, how do you get your keys? Someone is giving it to you? If so, you are in some other class then rest of us. In reality you get your keys in two ways: buying or running the ones you get. If you buy, that is the price to pay- cheapest keys are in Jita. If you run, then I do hope you remove those keys before you submit your loot to abystracker, since it is not loot, right? Or have I missed something? ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220/28 "2025-02-19T20:13:28Z")
> [@Sandi-1](#): > > abyss tracker does not automatically upload runs, it requires you to put info in. > Or did somerthing changed? No idea. I just say when I check the AbyssalTracker average values for T5 runs, it pretty much equals to what I get from T5 (in the long run, of course). > [@Sandi-1](#): > > Also, how do you get your keys? I buy them in Jita and (partly) run those I find. I never said something else. But thats not the point, the point is that of course each run brings back more loot (lots of) than the filament did cost. I do T5 Firestorms, so a single Filament does cost me around 3M ISK. And the run usually returns ~75M ISK. Looks like quite some profit to me. Especially since most runs are over in like 15-17 minutes. I usually fly very relaxed and “only” 3 runs per hour, thats still like 220M/h. If I focus I can do 4 runs per hour, thats almost a 300M/hour. > [@Sandi-1](#): > > If you run, then I do hope you remove those keys before you submit your loot to abystracker, since it is not loot, right? As said, I don’t upload my runs there. But if I would, of course they would be part of the loot because as long as I don’t run them, they are profit that I could sell. If I run them, they are investment that I would have to deduct from the profit of course. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220/29 "2025-02-19T20:15:33Z")
> [@Sandi-1](#): > > All you do is assume I assume that you know very little and are wildly chaotic. > [@Sandi-1](#): > > Tracker…tracks? > tell me, HOW does it…tracks? You paste the before and after loot, that’s it. So unless people put in extra effort to systematically, and on purpose, add MORE loot for… random reasons then the numbers are going to be correct. And while mistakes can be made ofc that won’t really affect the overall average. So if you do less good than what others do then you were unlucky that run. But if it’s an **average** issue then you’re simply not picking up loot others DID get, or you’re looking at the wrong numbers. > [@Syzygium](#): > > I can confirm that the AbyssTracker Values are pretty much correct. Exactly. > [@Sandi-1](#): > > THAT is what I mean. > Cool? Ok that makes sense, this happens because the drones get Ewarred by the npc and thus they change targets. This is a known mechanic and the solution is to reapply them to the target. ---
**Author:** ![Sandi-1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sandi-1/32/378117_2.png) [@Sandi-1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sandi-1)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220/30 "2025-02-19T20:15:38Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > ~75M ISK. Looks like quite some You run Fire ones? Can I ask what ship is capable of doing so? I literally can not run it in gila, or have no knowledge of how. My keys are 22 mil and my runs are about 50mil average, including best and worst ones. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220/31 "2025-02-19T20:19:19Z")
> [@Sandi-1](#): > > Can I ask what ship is capable of doing so? Sacri and Vagabond can do them quite well. It’s of course more challenging than just sending Drones. You need to know exactly how to approach, outrange or brawl each spawn and in which order to shoot the NPCs with the right ammo choice. Else you die. Pretty quickly. > [@Sandi-1](#): > > My keys are 22 mil and my runs are about 50mil average, including best and worst ones. Did it ever come to your mind that your filaments are so expensive and your loot of so little value because _everyone and his dog_ is using Gilas? I mean, it’s a basic law of economics if many people need the same filaments and get the same mutaplasmids, the keys rise in price and the mutaplasmids drop. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220/32 "2025-02-19T20:21:21Z")
> [@Sandi-1](#): > > Can I ask what ship is capable of doing so? A gila can do it but it’s not ideal, An Ishtar or Ikitursa would do better. Vaga or sacrilege work wonders. ---
**Author:** ![Sandi-1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sandi-1/32/378117_2.png) [@Sandi-1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sandi-1)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220/33 "2025-02-19T20:24:30Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Did it ever come to your mind that your filaments are so expensive and your loot of so little value because _everyone and his dog_ is using Gilas? I mean, it’s a basic law of economics if many people need the same filaments and get the same mutaplasmids, the keys rise in price and the mutaplasmids drop. That was never an issue. I do not do fire ones, everything else is open to me. But, all this abyss talk is not the point of the topic. It is bad loot drops. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220/34 "2025-02-19T20:29:53Z")
How do you estimate the value of your loot drops? I recently found a Glorified Unstable Mutaplasmid that was shown with 0 ISK, but sells for 2B in the contracts for example. ---
**Author:** ![Sandi-1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sandi-1/32/378117_2.png) [@Sandi-1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sandi-1)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220/35 "2025-02-19T20:32:38Z")
right click, search contracts. While in jita space. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220/36 "2025-02-19T20:37:10Z")
Nah, I mean the total value? Do you use “buy” “sell”, do you use a market website or the displayed value number of your cargo ingame? ---
**Author:** ![Sandi-1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sandi-1/32/378117_2.png) [@Sandi-1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sandi-1)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220/37 "2025-02-19T20:43:22Z")
cargo in game. I usually get less from selling it in Jita. So i should take that to account, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220/38 "2025-02-19T20:47:17Z")
Do you loot all the containers in the Abyss, even the distant ones? ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220/39 "2025-02-19T21:25:44Z")
That requires an active play style, so not distracted by several other accounts or other things, and relies on understanding and knowledge to clear rooms fast enough. You know, where if your drones get side tracked through normal game mechanics you actually _notice_ this early and put them back on target, instead of realising this way too late. ---
**Author:** ![Sandi-1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sandi-1/32/378117_2.png) [@Sandi-1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sandi-1)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220/40 "2025-02-19T21:42:46Z")
Yes, if time allows it OR if it is 130km away then no. One of the reasons are that usually loot from side containers is not good. Especially if I have to fly minutes for it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-my-loot/477220.md?page=3)