# Where is the palatine? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 17, 2023, 3:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114 "2023-10-17T03:05:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114/41 "2023-10-21T16:21:12Z")
The organized group still wouldn’t be able to get enough pilots to kill it. but this is beside the point - good luck bringing that quantum core there 😃 I don’t see how you could pull it off. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114/42 "2023-10-21T16:28:49Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > The organized group still wouldn’t be able to get enough pilots to kill it. What do you think would prevent a 1.000 man group to bring 1.000 pilots into that hole whenever they want? ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114/43 "2023-10-21T17:11:19Z")
C1 WHs are not very big. N110s have a max mass of 1 million. You will need alot of WHs to get an army into a C1. But again, the idea is making a C1 into Fort Knox. With so much firepower in fighters, (idk about the DD), guns, and more it would literally be the EVE equivalent of storming a hill in WW2. When the C1 folks start building capitals in it then that is the fun part. I can tell you I have seen at least 3 small indy corps who have tried and failed to do this lol. **Think Fort Knox or the battle of Sparta (aka force multiplication).** 🤤 🤤 ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114/44 "2023-10-21T17:55:29Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > C1 WHs are not very big. N110s have a max mass of 1 million. 1 million “what” exactly? I think there is a big misconception about how many people you can squeeze through that hole if you really want. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114/45 "2023-10-21T18:10:13Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > 1 million “what” exactly? Tons. My bad. N110s/C1 whs usually have a max mass of 1 million tons for ships to go through. They are not as large compared to battleship sized WHs. Max ship mass can go through is 62k tons. Ima stop here but one day in my EVE career I want to see a C1 WH turned into Fort Knox. Armed to the teeth with capitals, keepstars, etc. 🤤 We all have our own dreams in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114/46 "2023-10-21T18:24:14Z")
Okay, 1 Million Tons. Lets say it even has maximum -10% undermass. So 900.000t or 900.000.000kg. How many ships with a mass of 375.000kg could jump into there at once? ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114/47 "2023-10-21T18:26:36Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > How many ships with a mass of 375.000kg could jump into there at once? Alot. I get your point. It’s still battle crusiers vs capitals tho. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114/48 "2023-10-21T18:32:52Z")
Which ships have such a low mass? I just checked and my loki is at 13 800 T. ~60 T3Cs is not that much. Not enough to siege. Also N110 is a hisec static. Wandering holes are even worse. It isn’t even that hard to destabilize these statics - done it myself a bunch of times already. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114/49 "2023-10-21T18:36:12Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > Wandering holes are even worse. Yah they lower to 500k tons and they only last a few hours. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114/50 "2023-10-21T18:36:37Z")
Some lower it to 100k tons 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114/51 "2023-10-21T18:37:12Z")
HICs with running ZeroMassEntanglers. And everone of them can refit for combat with a mobile depot once in that hole. And since they can go all in there at once, all the invaders need is _two minutes_ hole control. _two minutes_. And after that _everything_ the “small corp” undocks simply dies in seconds. No matter if they have capitals or not. It just makes “poof” before they can even lock something. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114/52 "2023-10-21T18:38:58Z")
Guys we can go down the what if train all day. 🤣 Big corp controls C1-------------Very hard for invaders to secure control. Idea is that Small indy corp grows to big corp---------------Start Fort Knox project---------------Profit. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114/53 "2023-10-21T18:41:44Z")
You mean 3K tons? That is what I get from a HIC with zero-mass entangler. 333 of them at most. That is a lot. Is it enough to siege a keepstar? Do they have enough ammo? Or are you running amarr only ships? (in which case you get countered by minmatar t2 hulls). Though I suppose being the first ones to kill a palatine keepstar has enough allure to bring people to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114/54 "2023-10-21T18:42:03Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > Guys we can go down the what if train all day. Thats no “what if train”. If a Palatine Keepstar appears in a C1, _exactly that_ will happen. A few hundred HICs will invade the hole at once, take hole control, bring in logis, commandships, DSTs, Bubblers. Within two days. And then the Keepstar will just go poof. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114/55 "2023-10-21T18:42:38Z")
Sometimes humans need to take risks and you just never know! ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114/56 "2023-10-21T18:44:29Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Within two days. Eehh, okay. Being too optimistic here. Lets say “_within 4 hours_” this hole is _completely_ controlled by an invader. 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2023, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114/57 "2023-10-22T20:22:48Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > HICs with running ZeroMassEntanglers Bombers. Metric (redacted)tonnes of Bombers. Warp in, fire a volley, cloak up, wait for the hit, warp out. Rinse and repeat on a mammoth scale. While holding hole control, you’ll have a constant stream of reinforcements. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2023, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114/58 "2023-10-22T22:40:09Z")
Yeah, another example. Big groups have all options they need to invade even C1 holes if they really want to, take hole control and then bring in whatever they want to finish off even the most nasty defenses of any small corp living there. And for being the first ones ever to kill a Palatine Keepstar, they would. I’d even guess the fight over “who will kill it” will cause more losses than the Owners of the Keepstar would cause with their “defenses”, because maybe more than one group will want to make it on the killmail. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2023, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114/59 "2023-10-22T22:56:25Z")
All the attackers would probably hold fire on each other until it popped. At which point it would be a free for all. Last ones standing get the loot. And we still haven’t resolved how the 95k m^3 core gets into the c1. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2023, 11:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114/60 "2023-10-22T23:58:51Z")
> [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > And we still haven’t resolved how the 95k m^3 core gets into the c1. LOL YOU ARE RIGHT!!! It’s impossible then that’s a shame. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-is-the-palatine/424114.md?page=4)