# Which Battleship for Caldari/Gallente Space L4's **URL:** \ **Category:** PvE Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [September 15, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297 "2021-09-15T21:51:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ihuntstuff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ihuntstuff/32/479457_2.png) [@Ihuntstuff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ihuntstuff)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297/1 "2021-09-15T21:51:50Z")
Hi Space Friends, I recently returned to the game after a several year hiatus, and wouldn’t you know it, my real sexy Nightmare was somehow lost in my absence. I’m gonna be moving to Caldari or Gallente space, and I have to replace my baby 😭 I have all races BS and T2 weapon to level 5. My gunnery skills are perfect, and missiles are like a week or so away. I’m about to finish training Maurader’s to 4, and I can also fly a Tengu. My friend will usually be with me in a sentry Domi, so I really just need max DPS + damage projection. Since my return to the game, I think both T3C and Mauraders got some changes. Last I remembered, people were pretty hard for Mauraders and Tengus for L4 missions, but that was many moons ago. Any insight on the matter would be very much appreciated! ---
**Author:** ![Complex\_Math](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/complex_math/32/378387_2.png) [@Complex\_Math](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Complex_Math)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297/2 "2021-09-15T22:01:33Z")
If you’re trying to do your level4 missions in Low/Null- then Tengu is fine because of its stealth. But for high sec, you’ll be far better served by using a battlefield. A T1 battleship is cheaper and faster at doing level 4 missions than a Tengu. Marauders are really good with level 4 missions, but choose wisely. They are big gank targets- and at current pricing, you’ll have to do a lot of mission running before you make back the cost of your ship. ---
**Author:** ![She\_Who\_Endures](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/she_who_endures/32/248243_2.png) [@She\_Who\_Endures](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/She_Who_Endures)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2021, 3:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297/3 "2021-09-16T03:06:21Z")
Machariel or Barghast are good I think. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2021, 4:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297/4 "2021-09-16T04:37:09Z")
depends on the goal. are you looking to blitz? or just casually running missions? ---
**Author:** ![Ihuntstuff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ihuntstuff/32/479457_2.png) [@Ihuntstuff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ihuntstuff)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2021, 5:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297/5 "2021-09-16T05:31:37Z")
Looking to blitz ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2021, 5:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297/6 "2021-09-16T05:49:03Z")
Typhoon Fleet or Macharial (especially mach against angel) are two really great ships. TFI especially if you can learn how to fly manually… ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2021, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297/7 "2021-09-16T07:33:40Z")
Any marauder, if you can manage the risk of being ganked. ---
**Author:** ![erg\_cz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erg_cz/32/392645_2.png) [@erg\_cz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/erg_cz)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2021, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297/8 "2021-09-16T13:39:31Z")
Machariel for blitzing (because of mobility) Rattlesnake for DPS. The obvious reason is that other ships got bonuses for some certain damage dealing system. Rattlesnake got damage bonuses for two systems - you can deal missile damage and also bonused drone damage. The DPS out put will not be double of any other ship, but even so higher. With the exception of Leshak. But in usual missions NPS are dead long before Leshak’s DPS rampage to the maximum level, so again - Rattlesnake. ---
**Author:** ![Small\_Kitty\_Paws](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/small_kitty_paws/32/267673_2.png) [@Small\_Kitty\_Paws](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Small_Kitty_Paws)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2021, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297/9 "2021-09-16T14:17:18Z")
> [@erg\_cz](#): > > Rattlesnake for DPS. The obvious reason is that other ships got bonuses for some certain damage dealing system. Rattlesnake got damage bonuses for two systems And no application bonuses. Paper DPS means nothing. With two different weapon systems you can’t have proper fit for either of them. ---
**Author:** ![Pehatpsegk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pehatpsegk/32/288619_2.png) [@Pehatpsegk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pehatpsegk)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2021, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297/10 "2021-09-16T17:17:12Z")
Voluntarily leaving the Golden Lands to dwell in selfmade exile in lesser areas? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/5/a57a3a25d4d012cb07faa097656c9298fc5e44c8.png) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297/11 "2021-09-16T19:03:06Z")
Lol wut of course you can. You realize there’s reason why the gila/rattle dominate right? ---
**Author:** ![Small\_Kitty\_Paws](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/small_kitty_paws/32/267673_2.png) [@Small\_Kitty\_Paws](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Small_Kitty_Paws)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2021, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297/12 "2021-09-16T20:13:13Z")
Dominate what? Definitely not L4 missions. Also gila is quite different gameplay than rattle. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2021, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297/13 "2021-09-16T21:01:39Z")
Uh. The rattle breezes through 4s haha. Better than a marauder? Unsure but the rattle definitely has no problems running 4s. OP also stated he has friend too, so I mean they are going to be crushing 4s regardless. Marauders do tend to attract le gank tho. ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2021, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297/14 "2021-09-16T23:20:11Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > The rattle breezes through 4s haha. Better than a marauder? Cute. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2021, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297/15 "2021-09-16T23:27:11Z")
Don’t be shy my boy, quote the whole post. Never claimed rattles do it better than marauders. Considering the very next line says unsure. Most likely not considering bastion but I’d say marauders are more gank prone than rattles. It also depends where you’re running 4s tho. ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2021, 12:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297/16 "2021-09-17T00:58:47Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Never claimed rattles do it better than marauders. Putting it as a question was silly enough. A rattlesnake can’t even match the DPS of a bastioned marauder on pyfa, let alone applying that DPS. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2021, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297/17 "2021-09-17T01:03:43Z")
Hence why its a question, not a statement. Reading comprehension my boy. A rattle/domi pair would smoke 4s without a doubt. Marauder/domi would do it faster but would attract a larger gank profile. Esp if he’s doing SoE. ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2021, 2:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297/18 "2021-09-17T02:22:52Z")
Reading comprehension my boy. You’ve been told that a marauder will have better DPS, better range, better application and better tank than you loved Rattlesnake. And you don’t seem willing (or maybe even able) to dispute that. How can any doubt remain when the rattlesnake is outclassed in every meaningful way? Sure, a ganker would probably go after a marauder with office modules rather than someone with 2-3 faction modules in a faction BS. But there is the thing: even if you go with a t2 fitted marauder you still outperform a Rattlesnake. _Is not even close._ ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2021, 6:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297/19 "2021-09-17T06:13:52Z")
LOL never said it was. Bro calm down. I literally said I wasn’t sure if the rattle was better than a marauder. You need a hug dude? You must have saved some drone goo for that e-peen amirite? ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2021, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297/20 "2021-09-17T06:55:41Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > never said it was. For someone that “said nothing” you are putting quite an effort in having the last say. Now, be a good boy and make it a suggestion to the OP instead of bugging me out for a hug you don’t deserve. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-battleship-for-caldari-gallente-space-l4s/328297.md?page=2)