# Which T3C for PvE? **URL:** \ **Category:** PvE Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [August 1, 2017, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734 "2017-08-01T09:53:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Irie\_Vectis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/irie_vectis/32/11309_2.png) [@Irie\_Vectis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Irie_Vectis)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734/1 "2017-08-01T09:53:43Z")
Hello all, I need help in choosing which T3C to train, because after the changes last month I cannot figure out which one will be the most useful for me. I wuill use it initially for PvE but I don’t exclude a future in PvP. My plan is to do initially missions to learn the ship and train all skills, then start going low/null/wh to do anoms as soon as I get used to the hull and have enough sp. Right now I have almost maxed fitting skills, T2 armor and shield, good drone skills and racial cruisers at 4. Any advice on which ship is best for me? ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Little](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/do_little/32/411571_2.png) [@Do\_Little](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Do_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734/2 "2017-08-01T22:26:00Z")
There are no bad choices. I traded in my Sacrilege for a Legion. The Assault Optimization subsystem has bonuses for missiles and drones. I’m still playing with fits but have it up to 764 dps (selectable) with this fit. [Legion, Legion] Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Reactive Armor Hardener Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Corelum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Gistum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Missile Guidance Computer II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Legion Core - Augmented Antimatter Reactor Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization Legion Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Valkyrie II x5 Salvage Drone I x5 Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile x8330 Tracking Speed Script x1 Missile Range Script x1 Missile Precision Script x1 Core Scanner Probe I x8 Proteus also has offensive subsystems bonused for drones. I don’t have the skills to fly that one so haven’t played with it. ---
**Author:** ![Nolak\_Ataru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nolak_ataru/32/258421_2.png) [@Nolak\_Ataru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nolak_Ataru)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734/3 "2017-08-03T01:57:16Z")
> **[Rebalanced T3s and Blitzing, anyone done some theory crafting?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalanced-t3s-and-blitzing-anyone-done-some-theory-crafting/8927)** > > I've been out of the loop a bit and I'm only now reading up on the T3 changes coming on the 11th. Anyone have some preliminary thoughts regarding blitzing or just general mission running with what looks to be sizable changes to T3s coming? Some... ---
**Author:** ![Irie\_Vectis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/irie_vectis/32/11309_2.png) [@Irie\_Vectis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Irie_Vectis)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734/4 "2017-08-03T14:16:58Z")
Thank you very much for the fit @Do_Little, do you have experience with the Loki? I don’t want to be locked to droneboats and I’ve read that even with a T2 fit it has a good tank And what about the late PvE king, the Tengu? Is it still viable? @Nolak_Ataru thanks for the link, unfortunately it seems to me that the post turned into a whining rant against T3C. ---
**Author:** ![Nolak\_Ataru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nolak_ataru/32/258421_2.png) [@Nolak\_Ataru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nolak_Ataru)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734/5 "2017-08-03T14:23:19Z")
``` [Tengu, Tengu: 1063 DPS 1449m/s MWD L4 HamGu] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Gist C-type 50mn Microwarp Drive Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermal Dissipation Field II Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Small Tractor Beam II Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Tengu Core - Augmented Graviton Reactor Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Chassis Optimization ``` ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734/6 "2017-08-03T17:56:02Z")
Is there a T3 that challenges the role of the Stratios as a lo/high sec explorer with probing and hacking/analysis? What I am looking for is a slightly more “beefy” ship that could handle any 1v1 ambush in lo-sec. So far, I cannot seem to fit any T3 that gets a better cost/ability ratio than the Stratios; anyone have a decent fit? ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Little](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/do_little/32/411571_2.png) [@Do\_Little](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Do_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734/7 "2017-08-03T22:04:43Z")
I have no experience with the Loki. My highsec PVE character was already skilled to fly the Sacrilege so Legion was a quick and easy train. The fit is very tight for CPU. I had a choice between downgrading to meta modules or upgrading to faction/deadspace to make the fit work. Meta modules didn’t seem right for a T3 cruiser and I can afford the shiny stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Zhilia\_Mann](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhilia_mann/32/214674_2.png) [@Zhilia\_Mann](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhilia_Mann)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2017, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734/8 "2017-08-03T23:10:49Z")
> [@Buoytender\_Bob](#): > > Is there a T3 that challenges the role of the Stratios as a lo/high sec explorer with probing and hacking/analysis? If you’re seriously looking for a high/low combination you more or less have to stick with the Stratios (or a HAC). T3s can’t get into anything smaller than a 5/10, which means that high sec exploration is all but useless for them. ---
**Author:** ![Andrew\_Indy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andrew_indy/32/13108_2.png) [@Andrew\_Indy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andrew_Indy)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2017, 1:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734/9 "2017-08-05T01:27:06Z")
> [@Buoytender\_Bob](#): > > What I am looking for is a slightly more “beefy” ship that could handle any 1v1 ambush in lo-sec. So far, I cannot seem to fit any T3 that gets a better cost/ability ratio than the Stratios; anyone have a decent fit? Another issue that you will have is that if you fit for PVE or Hacking ect you will for the most part be at a big disadvantage in PVP. If you fit for PVP and try and run PVE sites (in LS at least) you will have a fairly hard time of it. ---
**Author:** ![Amhra\_Rho](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amhra_rho/32/59788_2.png) [@Amhra\_Rho](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amhra_Rho)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2017, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734/10 "2017-08-05T06:47:27Z")
My new style (after rebalance) Loki shrugs off damage, but its greatest asset is its awesome offense. Its long range artillery regularly one-shots PVE cruisers using faction ammo. ---
**Author:** ![Donnachadh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/donnachadh/32/12629_2.png) [@Donnachadh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Donnachadh)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2017, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734/11 "2017-08-05T13:18:25Z")
> [@Nolak\_Ataru](#): > > [Tengu, Tengu: 1063 DPS 1449m/s MWD L4 HamGu] > > Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System > Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System > Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System > Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System > > Gist C-type 50mn Microwarp Drive > Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster > Kinetic Deflection Field II > Thermal Dissipation Field II > Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script > Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script > > Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile > Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile > Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile > Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile > Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile > Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile > Small Tractor Beam II > > Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II > Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I > Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II > > Tengu Core - Augmented Graviton Reactor > Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node > Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay > Tengu Propulsion - Chassis Optimization Plugged this into a fit tool with a pilot that has no implants and all skills set to level 5 and still cannot get your numbers, damage is 945 not the 1063 claimed and the fit is 3.4% over on CPU. What are the missing pieces that make this work? With tank that drops to about 300 dps against some NPC even with missions specific hardeners and only 3 minutes 48 seconds capacitor to keep the MWD running this could get tricky to fly. ---
**Author:** ![Chainsaw\_Plankton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chainsaw_plankton/32/256180_2.png) [@Chainsaw\_Plankton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chainsaw_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2017, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734/12 "2017-08-05T14:13:10Z")
The dps goes up to 1044 with 5% implants, and then 1066 with 6% implants. Probably shouldn’t advertise your fit’s dps with 6% implants, but well people always love maxing where they can. And the CPU looks fine using PyFa Using the old t2 rate of fire rig setup I get 1001 dps and using 5% implants it goes up to 1107 dps. Looks like the tengu’s dps is still fine, and the tank should still be overkill for many activities, might have been hurt in some high end activities though. > [Tengu, Pve Hams] > > Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System > Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System > Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System > Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System > > Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster > Adaptive Invulnerability Field II > Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field > Pithum A-Type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier > Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner > Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script > > Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile > Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile > Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile > Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile > Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile > Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile > [Empty High slot] > > Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II > Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I > Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I > > Tengu Core - Augmented Graviton Reactor > Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node > Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay > Tengu Propulsion - Chassis Optimization ---
**Author:** ![Donnachadh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/donnachadh/32/12629_2.png) [@Donnachadh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Donnachadh)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734/13 "2017-08-06T14:15:51Z")
> [@Chainsaw\_Plankton](#): > > The dps goes up to 1044 with 5% implants, and then 1066 with 6% implants. Probably shouldn’t advertise your fit’s dps with 6% implants, but well people always love maxing where they can. And the CPU looks fine using PyFa > > Using the old t2 rate of fire rig setup I get 1001 dps and using 5% implants it goes up to 1107 dps. Looks like the tengu’s dps is still fine, and the tank should still be overkill for many activities, might have been hurt in some high end activities though. I do not care if a fit posted requires implants, that is just part of the game. When you post a fit that requires implants they should be mentioned to avoid confusion and hassles especially when dealing with new players. Looking into the CPU thing so I made sure I have the latest versions installed, EvE HQ (2.31.4.0) and PYFA (1.30.0) and there is a definite discrepancy. Screen shots sent to both dev teams just because. First thing I noticed is that according to both tools there is no such thing as a Gist C-Type 50mn Microwarp Drive, closest there is is the Gistum C-Type so I used that in the fits. For the rest the numbers posted are using a character with all skills set to level 5 and no implants. EvE HQ reports this fit as 3.41% over on CPU, while PYFA reports it at 92.31% CPU. Both programs list DPS output at 945 with volley at 1902. With plus 5% that would go up to 992, with plus 6% it would go up to 1001. Using 25%, 25%, 25%, 25% incoming damage EvE HQ reports 197.69 dps tank while PYFA reports 180 dps tank. Capacitor is another EvE HQ reports at 3 minutes 48 seconds, PYFA reports 3 minutes 50 seconds. Speed - EvE HQ reports 1,058.77 PYFA reports 1458. ---
**Author:** ![Chainsaw\_Plankton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chainsaw_plankton/32/256180_2.png) [@Chainsaw\_Plankton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chainsaw_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734/14 "2017-08-06T15:15:24Z")
> [@Donnachadh](#): > > I do not care if a fit posted requires implants, that is just part of the game. When you post a fit that requires implants they should be mentioned to avoid confusion and hassles especially when dealing with new players. yep should definitely note implant usage when posting fits. I also used the gistum c-type 50mn. In game I see 945 dps and it fits in the ghost fitting window so I assume Pyfa is accurate. both have 20.1 cpu left and speed is the same (character has a zor’s adding a zor’s in pyfa matches the speed) Sounds like Eve Hq needs some updating. ---
**Author:** ![Minnerma](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minnerma/32/142244_2.png) [@Minnerma](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Minnerma)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734/15 "2017-08-09T08:58:46Z")
> [@Buoytender\_Bob](#): > > Is there a T3 that challenges the role of the Stratios as a lo/high sec explorer with probing and hacking/an I`ve fully agreed with @Zhilia_Mann. And, IMHO, there is no reason to switch from Stratios, just because T3 require more SP to learn; if T3 is destroyed you will loose SP; T3 is 2-3 times more expensive than Stratios; Interdiction nullification in lo/high is not a point of interest. So, for lo/high exploration Stratios is my best choice. ---
**Author:** ![Matt\_Benneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/matt_benneth/32/189102_2.png) [@Matt\_Benneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Matt_Benneth)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734/16 "2017-08-09T12:00:44Z")
> [@Minnerma](#): > > So, for lo/high exploration Stratios is my best choice Stratios does less DPS than T3Cs so your time in site will be longer → bigger chance someone comes and probes you down. Also because of lower DPS Stratios can’t complete some 6/10s. ---
**Author:** ![Minnerma](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minnerma/32/142244_2.png) [@Minnerma](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Minnerma)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734/17 "2017-08-09T14:25:49Z")
Again, in T3 you can not do 5/10 and below. Time spent to find 6/10 not comparable with time addition to complete 6/10 in Stratios( BTW she is more agile than T3). In my experience there is 1 6/10 on 4-5 5/10 and below. Anyway it`s up to you what ship to use. Pros and Cons you know. ---
**Author:** ![Matt\_Benneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/matt_benneth/32/189102_2.png) [@Matt\_Benneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Matt_Benneth)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734/18 "2017-08-09T19:28:21Z")
> [@Minnerma](#): > > Again, in T3 you can not do 5/10 and below T3Cs can’t enter 4/10s, 3/10s and Chemical Yard while Stratios can. They can both enter pirate faction unrated sites from Watch and up, they can enter drone unrated sites from Rogue Trial Yard and up and rated DED sites starting with 5/10. For many of these sites neither Stratios neither T3Cs are optimal ships, but for sites where they both work ok its T3Cs \> Stratios. ---
**Author:** ![Zhilia\_Mann](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhilia_mann/32/214674_2.png) [@Zhilia\_Mann](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhilia_Mann)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 10:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734/19 "2017-08-10T10:40:43Z")
> [@Matt\_Benneth](#): > > For many of these sites neither Stratios neither T3Cs are optimal ships, but for sites where they both work ok its T3Cs \> Stratios. For 6/10 and especially 5/10, I vastly prefer a T3 but I’ve manged them in a Stratios. 3/10 and 4/10 are actually quite workable in a Stratios. The only unrated sites I really bother with are Annex and Minor Annex (depending on faction) and honestly I wouldn’t want a Stratios in either of those. The niche I’ve found I really like the Stratios in is low sec 3-4/10s that usually don’t get run. Sure, there are better ships for them, but the Stratios can probe and warp cloaked and whatnot in a single package. It can then (sometimes barely) do higher sites should you run across them as icing on the cake. All that said, I’m generally happier with a beam Confessor if I’m sticking to high or a Legion/Loki/Tengu depending where I am in low; I don’t mind just foregoing the silly 4/10s and below if I can have anything resembling a steady diet of 5-6/10s. Maybe low level unrated sites are worthwhile and I shouldn’t just skip the band, but as is I only even scan certain sphere sizes if I have a T3 out. ---
**Author:** ![Roksana\_Kolesnikova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/roksana_kolesnikova/32/16039_2.png) [@Roksana\_Kolesnikova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Roksana_Kolesnikova)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734/20 "2017-08-12T22:57:10Z")
I use this Legion for PVE (sometimes it mixed with pvp), great for event sites when somone tries to loot before you 🙂 > [Legion, Malevolence] > Core X-Type Armor EM Hardener > Imperial Navy Heat Sink > Core X-Type Armor Thermal Hardener > Imperial Navy Heat Sink > Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer > Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane > > Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery > Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler > Shadow Serpentis Stasis Webifier > Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner > > Heavy Pulse Laser II > Heavy Pulse Laser II > Heavy Pulse Laser II > Heavy Pulse Laser II > Heavy Pulse Laser II > Heavy Pulse Laser II > > Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II > Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I > Medium Nanobot Accelerator II > > Legion Core - Augmented Antimatter Reactor > Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector > Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers > Legion Propulsion - Wake Limiter > > Imperial Navy Multifrequency M x30 > Scorch M x120 > Nanite Repair Paste x500 > Conflagration M x120 [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/which-t3c-for-pve/12734.md?page=2)