# Why antigank? **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** pvp\ **Created:** [May 28, 2023, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469 "2023-05-28T18:16:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/323 "2023-06-19T10:24:55Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > it is pretty evident that I am not currently doing any AG No kidding? Tell us more about the big nothing you are? ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/324 "2023-06-19T11:21:15Z")
The daft old bat, having failed at ganking, now a NEPF advisor ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/b/0/5b0b2c62d1d8502810f91e303a43b5002d2ae600.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/325 "2023-06-19T11:40:06Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Again proving your lack of ability in observation and extreme level of ignorance, it is pretty evident that I am not currently doing any AG as I am not currently playing. But do continue, as Or she seeing a chance for little playful griefing , she knows what’s what and how all this works but people reading many none the wiser ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/326 "2023-06-19T11:44:18Z")
I rather liked your comment about a save mail. Still it is fun to pull their leg on their inability to see saves, but I do appreciate people noticing Thotaman. That they did not notice Eskati was amusing. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/327 "2023-06-19T11:45:19Z")
If you can’t see saves, do they even exist? ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/328 "2023-06-19T11:57:15Z")
> [@Quadra\_Frost](#): > > I can’t see the attraction to perform as an “AG”: having to please the “public” - and most likely never meeting everyone’s expectation. Not to mention - feeding Aiko’s repeat narrative → “AG’s fail again”. I always wondered about the source of this huff-and-puff while she amuses me with content that feeds my trolling. Well, I can imagine attraction _could_ come from success. But success can only come through effort. So many people are serving the public by maintaining third-party websites, programming tools, running news-blogs or streams and of course they can’t satisfy _everyone_. There will always be complainers. But there are some basic duties tied to all of these activities, even gankers have to do their homework, else they won’t get kills/loot/salt. And from a “law enforcement organization” I would _at least_ expect up-to-date “most wanted” lists (aka “set-red-lists”), useful service links for capsuleers who want to protect themselves and regular field activity, at least _trying_ to disrupt some ganker’s camps. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/329 "2023-06-19T12:00:01Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > but people reading many none the wiser Is that so? Now tell me @Githany_Red , how much of an difference have you made? How many have you saved? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/a/c/4ac39bd25f3f1870f1137e9227eaadf1d85faca2.png) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/a/3/4a3ed596c90c8246ebd58df9cf32abaf10aefd7f.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/330 "2023-06-19T12:33:41Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > they don’t even know that effective AG leaves no traces of what went down How would you know, you don’t even play the game? ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/331 "2023-06-19T13:12:33Z")
@Githany_Red There is a way for you to provide evidence of your adventures in anti-ganking and any wins you may have. Use OBS (open broadcast source) its an open source recording software that many twitch streamers use to record their gameplay. You don’t have to stream to Twitch, but directly to your hard-drive. Then you can edit -or not- your footage and upload to google drive, or YouTube or whatever. That way you have you evidence in your back pocket ready to go. And it’s pretty easy to use. Despite what Dracvlad says, anti-ganking _can_ leave evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/332 "2023-06-19T13:48:43Z")
Has CCP introduced save mails now? That would be so cool! ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/333 "2023-06-19T13:53:50Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Is that so? Now tell me @Githany_Red , how much of an difference have you made? How many have you We regularly got the Goddess and Painter fleets to fail and log out , Kusion was a hard one to crack, but as we got better and more numbers even that egg crack , 3 ganks in a row he failed . I’m sure others have made equal efforts in the past to me but I showed you can stand up to ganks , of course everybody was worried about the griefers and in the past if you said or did any type of anti-gank you would be war Dec or infiltrated , people were worried and sucked up to the gankers so they never became targets, many still today will not speak out . We often got “sorry I don’t want to get involved too much to lose.” But we did get given billions of isk for our efforts and I could order any fleet of ships I needed within reason. To test out . Our Armageddon fleet stopped Talos fleets dead . Our edencom ships were great fun as are our t3 fleets. One guy even gave us 2 tornadoes for everyone we killed in jita without concord, so we have nados heaps of them Obviously gankers learn to adapted to any fleet we made. Now thing’s have changed again , if gankers don’t gank as much then any counter it’s not viable for us ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/334 "2023-06-19T14:00:47Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/3/6/836b4e06c6d1a413e7d11737218d58e05521d03b.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/335 "2023-06-19T14:05:14Z")
That was us at 1st I must admit, but later that ball often popped ---
**Author:** ![Tec8n0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tec8n0/32/469865_2.png) [@Tec8n0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tec8n0)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/336 "2023-06-19T14:49:36Z")
Cultural Victory! Gankers win! ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/337 "2023-06-19T15:33:51Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Where is the actually well-maintained list of active ganker-corps/alliances that people should set red (yes, at least weekly updated)? There did used to be a chat room that listed all the relevant corps and gave links to them. I’m not sure if it still exists. It wasn’t NEPF…just a list I saw provided in the Rookie Help channel some time ago. The other method is to look on killboard for ganker activity in whatever systems one is visiting. That will also often highlight solo gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/338 "2023-06-19T18:32:58Z")
I know, I know. :). The point is that one would expect to find such information in the Bio and Homepage of a “Police Corp” at least. And more. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/339 "2023-06-19T23:03:50Z")
Yes I’m in a channel like that , some guy set it up , was chatting to him the other day , so list is being maintained ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/340 "2023-06-19T23:09:35Z")
The best way this had ever been explained to everyone keeps getting sweeped under the rug! Sept Y124 Princess @Xucca produced the follow thread. > ![Princess-Xucca](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/0/c/10c1d57344f31e6d4457065911b34eb6f031d746.jpeg) @Captain_BeerMonster remember, oh, and do not do this again without first looking under the rug first! ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 11:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/341 "2023-06-19T23:40:15Z")
And is there a reason such crucial information is hidden in obscurity? Why does NEPF not provide a Topic with such a list, frequently updated, here at the boards for new players to find? ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2023, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/342 "2023-06-21T00:34:49Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Why does NEPF not provide a Topic with such a list Now that woild ruin all the fun, now wouldn’t it? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469.md?page=16) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469.md?page=18)