# Why antigank? **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** pvp\ **Created:** [May 28, 2023, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469 "2023-05-28T18:16:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/556 "2023-12-17T09:59:08Z")
Calm down miner. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/557 "2023-12-17T09:59:55Z")
> **[Havoc: Expansion Notes | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/havoc-expansion-notes)** > > The expansion notes for the upcoming Havoc expansion are now available. - Note that while insurgency content is currently the only way to raise or lower suppression, it’s possible for any system in the game to have a corruption or suppression value, and many of the effects apply outside insurgencies. **it’s possible for any system in the game to have a corruption or suppression value…** Popcorn and soda while we watch the Gankers complain? Sluurrrppp…nothing like some good soda from the movie theater. Neaner, neaner, pumpkin skeaner. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/558 "2023-12-17T10:14:11Z")
You aren’t good enough to do it. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/559 "2023-12-17T10:17:11Z")
A generalist statement with an open ended argument clause. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/560 "2023-12-17T10:21:48Z")
You are all just talk, years and years of talk… …but not one action. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/561 "2023-12-17T10:34:17Z")
You realize even if I paid it it would just flow back to my own pocket, right? 😉 😈 * * * Edit: Btw why did you censor the KR owner? It is not a secret, actually public info so you can share it freely. ![lyonesse](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/2/e/a2ea38a59eb8b9d632efa520e90c89880b09a967.jpeg) > **[Lyonesse Ellecon](https://kherub.wordpress.com/2019/09/05/lyonesse-ellecon/)** > > Lyonesse Ellecon’s profile. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/562 "2023-12-17T11:18:05Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > You are all just talk, years and years of talk… > > …but not one action. Sounds a lot like my therapist. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/5/a/45afedf3782305fd0970acf9bd2c9ea1c10401f5.gif) ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/563 "2023-12-17T14:50:17Z")
- High security systems which are affected by an Insurgency will not spawn empire FW police and criminal police NPCs, so pirates and players with low security status can freely enter as they wish! When Uedama goes down, there will be a lot of PvPer’s camping the gates. Ganking in Uedama is slowly being consumed by pirate insurgencies. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/564 "2023-12-17T14:54:37Z")
Deep breaths… DrysonDoNothington ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/565 "2023-12-17T15:35:54Z")
He seems to be laboring under the delusion that this somehow hurts ganking? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/566 "2023-12-17T19:57:42Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > Because some players like the aspect of mining. Nobody’s being asked not to like mining. What they are being asked is that they accept that _all_ undocked activity in Eve comes with a risk. As I already pointed out elsewhere…well over 50% of all Ventures ( for example ) are destroyed by NPC rats. So its not like there aren’t already ships taking pot shots at miners. When a new player moves up from a Venture to a larger ship…why should they not equally accept the increased risk that comes from being a juicier target ? > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > mining is the easiest way to earn ISK in New Eden Well, yes…and in fact a Gaussian mining laser fitted Venture can make its own cost ( 300K or so ) in one trip, plus anyone can get a new Venture by re-doing missions, so its not like anyone is ever left with zero ISK and no means of restarting. The player then has to decide…do they want to carry on with that low risk/lower income or go for higher risk and higher income. And clearly, the higher income _ought_ to come with higher risk. > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > Another reason is because the player wants to learn how to develop manufacturing flow charts to then build items from. Not necessarily. Some may do…we have no actual stats on how many. But equally, many miners want to make ISK in order to pay for PvP/PvE combat ships. So they are quite happy for their mining proceeds to go towards some ships being blapped…and possibly those of other players…which would mean their entire mining operation is a part of PvP and effectively paying for it. It would be good to have stats on what proportion this actually is, as it would affect the entire argument. > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > If CCP was to take away mining, entirely, the game would collapse completely. True, but scarcity showed that already there was way too much being mined anyway. And clearly, there is more than enough ore coming in despite ganking. In fact if ganking was seriously affecting the amount of ore available for ships then one of the first groups to be affected would be gankers themselves…who would be sawing off the branch they were sitting on. But there is no indication that is happening…maybe Aiko would like to comment on that. ---
**Author:** ![Thorn\_Greenflash](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thorn_greenflash/32/401342_2.png) [@Thorn\_Greenflash](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thorn_Greenflash)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/567 "2023-12-17T20:52:44Z")
Seriously, what is the purpose of antigank? All they’re doing is sacrificing their own mining yield to maybe strike _one_ agent. The Code will always win! ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/568 "2023-12-17T22:08:08Z")
It is funny, where will the freighter go without Uedama? Not sure, but I won’t complain, and we will follow them! ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/569 "2023-12-17T22:15:31Z")
> [@Thorn\_Greenflash](#): > > Seriously, what is the purpose of antigank? All they’re doing is sacrificing their own mining yield to maybe strike _one_ agent. The Code will always win! Newsflash Green Thorn not every antiganker cares about sacrificing their own mining yield to maybe strike _one_ agent as salt is that positively charged ionic bonding process known as antiganking. ![thorns](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/1/8/8185926539d1761ee82bfc44de794b7fabde014f.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/570 "2023-12-17T23:10:22Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/3/0/13023496f3286d0be36655efa69b823fdfed15d0.gif) ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 4:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/571 "2023-12-18T04:41:44Z")
The question Aiko, where will your Gankers go once Uedama falls to the Insurgency? Unless you are above insta-pwn status, your attempts at capturing pirate sites will result in nothing. You will have to join one of the pirate factions in order to even run the timer on a site, which I doubt you will do. No, Uedama is set to fall to the Insurgency, and I for one will be glad the day it does. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/572 "2023-12-18T05:03:02Z")
Why are you still yapping? ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 5:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/573 "2023-12-18T05:56:24Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/f/a/1fafd2cbd3658f1d32ade8bfddb066dd8515c92f.webp) ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/574 "2023-12-18T11:29:39Z")
Another issue that the cubble dugs of Aiko’s are going to have to worry about with the Guristas Incursion is. when the FOB goes up in Uedama, systems around Uedama will be effected to the point of possibly becoming Lawless. Meaning, the Gankers will never be able to gank in the Uedama system and hopefully Himma Linga Ding Dong. The Gankers are gonna have to work to keep their old famil grounds, because if not, when the Gankers venture close to Uedama they will remember the easy times they had, their systems they believed they controlled. The graveyard of the past will emptionally haunt the Uedama Ganker. Now be quiet and maybe I will help save Uedama. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469/575 "2023-12-18T11:37:28Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > maybe I will help save Uedama. ? You want to save Uedama for the gankers? You want to save Uedama by putting bubbles on the gate? I don’t understand Drysin. What are you talking about? > [@DrysonBennington](#): > > systems around Uedama will be effected to the point of possibly becoming Lawless Can we convert Lonetrek to nullsec? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469.md?page=21) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-antigank/407469.md?page=23)