# Why are Custom Offices so Tough **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 10, 2019, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837 "2019-09-10T01:02:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837/21 "2019-09-10T13:57:12Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > On average you will make a bit bit of ISK for your time…not much but generally come out ahead. Come out ahead of what? If the structure is unfit, you get nothing. If the people defend, you get nothing. If the loot fairy is being mean, you get nothing. Anchoring up a new citadel doesnt do anything for you, either, unless you fuel it and add modules. > [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > A POCO takes 28 minutes in one go but rewards you with zero. No, taking down a poco rewards you with the option of putting down your own poco. You get income from taxes from everyone using that poco. You yourself can use that poco with zero tax cost. There is no fuel cost so no upkeep cost. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837/22 "2019-09-10T13:58:26Z")
In your mind you spend n minutes to put out m dps to achieve x. In your mind, apparently, achieving x is the end goal and reward. In my mind you spend n minutes to put out m dps to achieve x, which allows you to achieve y (putting up your own POCO), which creates a row of mini-achievements caused by the achievement of x. Also called taxes. POCOs are a political thing. You set them up to make money and project the illusion of power. Shooting down a POCO without being willing to reap the potential rewards, the taxes, is your own choice. POCOs are a thing for the long term. When you shoot one down and don’t want to set up a new one, then that’s on you. Btw, I object to this abuse the word “effort”. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837/23 "2019-09-10T13:58:37Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > You get it done faster, which is better. Yes but I don’t have 100 dreads so, again, while the point is valid, it’s also totally unrealistic to me. I have between 5k-10k at my disposal and that’s it. THAT is my reality and based on that, everything I have said still stands. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > you say that as if that’s an irrelevance or something When something is that unrealistic, it is irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837/24 "2019-09-10T13:59:37Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > I have between 5k-10k at my disposal and that’s it. Aren’t you one of those who suggest to find friends, or join a corp? ---
**Author:** ![TYRANNATOR\_I1I](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrannator_i1i/32/381994_2.png) [@TYRANNATOR\_I1I](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TYRANNATOR_I1I)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837/25 "2019-09-10T14:01:13Z")
Then the only thing that says is you shouldn’t be shooting pocos😇 > [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > > > You get it done faster, which is better. > > I have between 5k-10k at my disposal and that’s it. THAT is my reality and based on that, everything I have said still stands. > > > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > > > you say that as if that’s an irrelevance or something > > When something is that unrealistic, it is irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837/26 "2019-09-10T14:02:13Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > putting up your own POCO Never said that once…this is a Burmese Bandit scenario and I don’t care about putting up my own… ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837/27 "2019-09-10T14:03:12Z")
If that’s what people are looking for then that’s what I suggest… …I don’t need/want that. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837/28 "2019-09-10T14:04:55Z")
> [@TYRANNATOR\_I1I](#): > > Then the only thing that says is you shouldn’t be shooting pocos And there in lies the rub…or just wait until CCP changes them to match more modern settings for player owned floating crap. Probably will just wait… ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837/29 "2019-09-10T14:05:02Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > it’s also totally unrealistic to me Well, I’m sorry to hear that you’re having a hard time finding friends in this game. So is this thread basically just a personal rant about how unfair pocos are to you, and you alone? > [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > have between 5k-10k at my disposal I guess no one told you that small citadels have a 5k damage cap. So that extra 5k damage you deal is actually zero. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837/30 "2019-09-10T14:07:38Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Well, I’m sorry to hear that you’re having a hard time finding friends in this game. Not looking…never have… > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > So is this thread basically just a personal rant about how unfair pocos are to you, and you alone? Nope. As others have pointed out, their mechanics are outdated and do not match the more modern settings.Feel free to head to the top to catch-up… > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > I guess no one told you that small citadels have a 5k damage cap. So that extra 5k damage you deal is actually zero. EDIT…nope…well aware of it…dropped many of them so I know how it it works thanks… I also never said I used a full 10k, I said I had it… ---
**Author:** ![TYRANNATOR\_I1I](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrannator_i1i/32/381994_2.png) [@TYRANNATOR\_I1I](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TYRANNATOR_I1I)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837/31 "2019-09-10T14:10:09Z")
They are for the long term profit. For example I am solo in a WH with my indy alts. Some Corp already has pocos there with tax rate 1%, I just pay it and use them, also saving me the trouble to install them when I started out with only 2 scanning epitals there. They wouldn’t even have fitted in the cargo. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837/32 "2019-09-10T14:11:58Z")
I wonder how much people earn from taxes though…never looked into it actually. Hard to imagine that it’s worth it though unless you are also PI’ing there anyways… (FYI I’m talking LS/HS) ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837/33 "2019-09-10T14:15:24Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > Not looking…never have… Isnt that what all the loners who actually really do want friends, say? > [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > As others have pointed out, their mechanics are outdated and do not match the more modern settings. Others said that, but you didnt. All you wrote was that you feel as though the EHP is too great and to lower it to 3.5 mill so that you, alone, can more easily destroy it. You didnt mention anything about how outdated the system was. Case and point, if CCP changed pocos to the citadel model, but kept the EHP the same, you would still have come here posting the same nonsense you did today. > [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > nope…well aware of it…dropped many of them so I know how it it works thanks… So you’re well aware that youll be able to kill a poco faster, than a citadel, with enough firepower? So what’s the problem here? Should i be able to kill astrahauses with a single frigate in 10 minutes? No? Well the same applies to you and pocos. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837/34 "2019-09-10T14:16:17Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > I don’t care about putting up my own… Well then you have no reason to complain about risk/reward being out of wack. Your choice, really. > [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > …I don’t need/want that. Yeah, sure. No wonder you’re struggling. But hey … again … your choice. Not a good one, though. Anyhow … It’s clear now why you believe that risk/reward of POCOs isn’t right and it’s pretty clear why you believe so, but in the end it’s just a matter of your mindset making it look that way. Have a nice day anyway and good luck! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837/35 "2019-09-10T14:20:14Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Isnt that what all the loners who actually really do want friends, say? Isn’t that what trolls say? > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > would still have come here posting the same nonsense you did today. Wow you’re psychic now too! cool…a psychic troll. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > with enough firepower Already covered this…try again… > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Should i be able to kill astrahauses with a single frigate in 10 minutes? If you need to resort to reductio ad absurdum lines then, that’s just sad. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837/36 "2019-09-10T14:22:34Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > No wonder you’re struggling. LOL… ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837/37 "2019-09-10T14:28:33Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > Isn’t that what trolls say? No, a troll would simply mock you. I’m asking g questions in order to reveal, even to yourself, how your position is stupid. > [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > If you need to resort to reductio ad absurdum lines then, that’s just sad. No, I said that to make a point. You say you’ve already addressed the claim about not enough firepower. Well, the street goes both ways, buddy. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837/38 "2019-09-10T14:52:29Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > I’m asking g questions in order to reveal Well you’re not doing a very good job then as the facts haven’t changed. Maybe try harder? > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > No, I said that to make a point. …and it was sad that you needed to stoop that low to make it. How about you get out of the gutter and try again. Come on, you can do it! ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837/39 "2019-09-10T15:03:38Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > Well you’re not doing a very good job then as the facts haven’t changed. Since your replies keep dwindling, the facts seem to be catching up to you. > [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > How about you get out of the gutter and try again. I seem to be doing fine, as you keep trying to ignore my arguments and have already admitted that I made valid points. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837/40 "2019-09-10T15:05:58Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Since your replies keep dwindling …because nothing new or interesting has been added. If you can please do so… > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > I seem to be doing fine Ya not really…but keep at it! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-custom-offices-so-tough/188837.md?page=3)