# Why are edencom ships so bad¿ :psyccp: **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 2, 2020, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-edencom-ships-so-bad/264389 "2020-09-02T11:43:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2020, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-edencom-ships-so-bad/264389/41 "2020-09-07T14:15:48Z")
Because they were designed as an SP sink… Also a test for future _ship_ introductions - think ‘gold’ ammo/ship type crap in other whale type games (that Eve has turned into) … ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2020, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-edencom-ships-so-bad/264389/42 "2020-09-07T14:16:33Z")
Oh I have no doubt at all that once things are entrenched CCP will be like “OMG GUISE why didnt you tell us EDENCOM sucked? OFC we will do a pass. And yeah, Trigs are too good. _waves wand_” "Now get out there and generate cost indexes on those. What? You were only just saying you were bored of Trigs…" > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Going through the pains of designing and producing a new ship line to make other ships look better ? Such a waste. I also believe that the art department certainly has this stuff made very very much in advance and in a big folder. As for the coding, eh thats space magic as far as Im concerned, so yeah, I mean I dunno what takes longer to do, reinstate Jukebox or get the right names on the wings of CONCORD ships… ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2020, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-edencom-ships-so-bad/264389/43 "2020-09-07T14:17:45Z")
You know that Serenity in part determines the outcome of the invasions, right ? For instance, they had exactly zero influence on the outcome of the Niarja invasion, which was determined on the Tranquility server. And vice versa for other systems. The number of “loon systems” needed for the Grand Finale (I suppose) will be assured in any case. > [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > Because they were designed as an SP sink… This. The Brown M&Ms clause… > [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > think ‘gold’ ammo/ship type crap in other whale type games That’s fine by me. The more they cost, the faster Hilly will get his yacht (see earlier in the thread), and the more tears we can harvest by killing them. ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2020, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-edencom-ships-so-bad/264389/45 "2020-09-07T14:32:43Z")
It’s not just premium time though, its also gold ammo and gold consumables and gold tanks (now as good or better than the non-gold versions…) … Edit: and also extra currencies to collect and spend on equipment, etc ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2020, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-edencom-ships-so-bad/264389/46 "2020-09-07T14:34:07Z")
Ehh actually they changed Gold Ammo to Silver ammo, but yeah, Trigs are equivalent of Premium Tanks, sure. But Im not being encouraged to get into my T54 non premium to be Lowe’d to death in EvE like I am in WoT ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2020, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-edencom-ships-so-bad/264389/47 "2020-09-07T14:53:47Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Ehh actually they changed Gold Ammo to Silver ammo, but yeah, Trigs are equivalent of Premium Tanks, sure. to kill werewolf capsuleer ? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2020, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-edencom-ships-so-bad/264389/48 "2020-09-07T14:56:51Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Id flag myself but Im out. Can I PLEX some more flags, plx I’ve got your back, and an excess of flags and likes to use. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-edencom-ships-so-bad/264389/49 "2020-09-07T15:04:43Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Id flag myself but Im out. Can I PLEX some more flags, plx here have some ! [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/9/e91a91072759d10a0dec99b3768f687b3870ee11.jpeg "Gorillaz - White Flag (Official Audio)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQWT7fNrVqQ) ---
**Author:** ![Serene\_Repose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/serene_repose/32/384960_2.png) [@Serene\_Repose](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Serene_Repose)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2020, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-edencom-ships-so-bad/264389/50 "2020-09-07T15:54:58Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > CCP has no intention to and no interest in seeing EDENCOM being a good, fleshed-out, fully functional, rewarding and properly working entity Welcome to the sales promotion, ladies. _Skins for sale!_ SKINS for sale! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-edencom-ships-so-bad/264389/51 "2020-12-06T15:54:58Z")
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