# Why Are (Most) Cosmetics Gendered? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 23, 2018, 3:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635 "2018-07-23T03:53:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![GAREGIN\_NZHDEH](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garegin_nzhdeh/32/343579_2.png) [@GAREGIN\_NZHDEH](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GAREGIN_NZHDEH)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635/139 "2018-07-25T00:19:46Z")
Wouldn’t it be fun to see a male avitar in a skirt… I mean a kilt. ---
**Author:** ![Abaris\_Fagimasad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abaris_fagimasad/32/280867_2.png) [@Abaris\_Fagimasad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abaris_Fagimasad)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635/140 "2018-07-25T00:20:19Z")
> [@NotTheSmartestCookie](#): > > Ah yup, those mental disorders seem to be concentrated in the wealthiest parts of the USA and a bit in Europe. The rest of the world seems quite happy with two genders. Do you consider two-spirit Native Americans to be among the wealthiest of the United States? What about waria in Indonesia? Muxe in Mexico? Or is it possible that you’re the one projecting your own assumptions onto a world that has a very documented history of disagreeing with you? > **[Third gender](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender)** > > Third gender is a concept in which individuals are categorized, either by themselves or by society, as neither a man or woman. It is also a social category present in societies that recognize three or more genders. The term third is usually understood to mean "other", though some anthropologists and sociologists have described fourth and fifth genders. > The state of personally identifying as, or being identified by society as, a man, a woman, or other is usually also defined by the individual'... ---
**Author:** ![GAREGIN\_NZHDEH](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garegin_nzhdeh/32/343579_2.png) [@GAREGIN\_NZHDEH](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GAREGIN_NZHDEH)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635/141 "2018-07-25T00:36:10Z")
Gender dysphoria, that’s a touchy feely subject, the only ‘true’ 3rd gender too me is a hermaphrodite, when nature gives you both and neither gender then I will conceed that yeah you qualify for a sperate definition. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 12:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635/142 "2018-07-25T00:48:56Z")
How one identifies is irrelevant to what they are. There is only one definition of gender that matters, and it’s defined entirely by what role is played in reproduction. There are only two roles in producing offspring, male and female. And one might argue, “what about people who can do neither, or both”. They are actual medically diagnosed transgender people, not people with gender dysphoria, and there is a big difference, because one is physical, and one is psychological, but neither constitutes a gender other than male or female. Because they are rare. Like any rule, there are exceptions, and they represent exceptions to the rule. Outliers. The gay community has argued for decades that there are hundreds of species of mammal that display homosexual tendencies to rightly support their claims to a natural state, and they have that claim, and it is a correct claim. They also state that there is only one species on earth that displays homophobia: humans. They’re also right about that. But by this very same argument, there are BILLIONS of species on earth that have male and female only, defined by the roles played in producing offspring, but only one species on earth that tries to push the idea that this definition is not acceptable, and therefore they can be any gender they want. Just as we tell homophobes that the natural world around us demonstrates that, as a rule, homosexuality is a natural thing, and just as we tell flat earthers that the natural universe around us shows, as a rule, planets are round, so too does the natural world around us show us two genders, no more, no less, EXCEPT in the case of asexual reproduction, which is not what humans do. Well, that brings us back to the real transgenders, who are medically diagnosed with flaws in their sex chromosomes and you get hermaphrodites and the like. The medical community is also accepting the ‘transgender’ definition for people with psychological gender dysphoria. But they are not accepted as a ‘new gender’ because there is no other gender other than male or female, and ‘transtrenders’ don’t get counted amongst those with a real medical state of being neither male nor female, or both. People who just want to feel special or signal their virtue (look at me, I’m different, and virtuous!) don’t get to dictate to the rest of us how we perceive them. TL;DR there are only two kinds of genders in all countries, male and female. Everything outside of that is an abnormality, as is evidenced in the rest of the animal kingdom, and just like homophobia is an abnormality exclusive to humans, so too are all traits exclusive to our ability to think and perceive, such as making stuff up. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635/143 "2018-07-25T01:00:09Z")
> [@Mark\_O\_Helm](#): > > Sorry for triggering all you conservative snowflakes. > And sorry for converting this thread into a real-life “argument”. > But now we know why EVE has two genders and gender-specific clothes. > It seems that some people are not ready for the future. In a game about the future. Oh that irony. 😅 Despite my personal proclivity to not take on faith the claims made by other people without scientific evidence, and despite all evidence pointing to the fact that there are only two genders, it doesn’t change the fact that some men like to pretend to be women, and some women like to pretend to be men. Whether they’re actually one or the other is completely irrelevant to what they want to dress their video game avatars as, and after some thought, I’ve come to the conclusion that it doesn’t matter, and I’m all for allowing people to cross dress in this game. It doesn’t matter. People can believe whatever they want to about gender and human biology and the world still keeps on turning and males and females continue to produce offspring, and EVE Online is still just a game. My only issue with this is the technical limitations, and what kind of development time would have to go into getting around them and, as a result, be taken away from core gameplay areas, since character avatars are such a small part of the real gameplay. What I personally despise here is the politicisation, the suggestion that by relying on best evidence, I am therefore a ‘conservative’, and that makes me a bad person, perhaps kinda old and grumpy. I’m not required to pass a political purity test to play this game and have my say on what I think this game should and shouldn’t have, so you can cut that ■■■■ out, it’s immature and only going to cause divisiveness. I am, in fact, a libertarian left-leaning centrist. I can see the merits to causes on both sides of the political ‘divide’, which it would be nice to once more refer to one day as the political dialectic it’s meant to be, rather than a cause of spite and civil unrest. People need to cut out the thought policing, and start remembering that the Enlightenment wasn’t just a fancy word. Diversity of thoughts and opinion seems to be the only kind of diversity that will get you fired from a job these days, not what kind of genitals you have or the colour of your skin, so I strongly suggest you start accepting the fact that people don’t all think the same, and never will. ---
**Author:** ![Abaris\_Fagimasad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abaris_fagimasad/32/280867_2.png) [@Abaris\_Fagimasad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abaris_Fagimasad)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 1:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635/144 "2018-07-25T01:05:07Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > despite all evidence pointing to the fact that there are only two genders > **[Intersex](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex)** > > Intersex people are individuals born with any of several sex characteristics including chromosome patterns, gonads, or genitals that, according to the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies". > Sex assignment at birth usually aligns with a child's anatomical sex and phenotype. The number of births with ambiguous genitals is in the range of 1:4500–1:2000 (0.02%–0.05%). Other conditions involve atypical chromoso... > **[Third gender](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender)** > > Third gender is a concept in which individuals are categorized, either by themselves or by society, as neither a man or woman. It is also a social category present in societies that recognize three or more genders. The term third is usually understood to mean "other", though some anthropologists and sociologists have described fourth and fifth genders. > The state of personally identifying as, or being identified by society as, a man, a woman, or other is usually also defined by the individual'... ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635/145 "2018-07-25T01:06:02Z")
Again, exceptions, not the rule. Sex is defined by the roles required for producing offspring. You are demonstrating genetic abnormalities, like having a sixth finger. Not a ‘third sex’. And for the record, ‘abnormality’ is not a bad thing. I’m not normal either. Autism makes me very not normal. I also suggest you read my entire write-up, not just the first paragraph. ---
**Author:** ![Abaris\_Fagimasad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abaris_fagimasad/32/280867_2.png) [@Abaris\_Fagimasad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abaris_Fagimasad)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 1:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635/146 "2018-07-25T01:12:41Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > Again, exceptions, not the rule. Sex is defined by the roles required for producing offspring. You are demonstrating genetic abnormalities, like having a sixth finger. Not a ‘third sex’. I don’t think you understand how science works. There are no “exceptions” to the rule, it’s just an incorrect rule. Your statement that “all evidence pointing to the fact that there are only two genders” despite the existence of a plethora of both biological evidence concerning the existence of a wide variety of non-binary physiological configurations and the anthropological evidence concerning the existence of a wide variety of non-binary genders in several societies throughout history and the world is simply incorrect. There’s no way to get around that. Rather than compartmentalize and ostracize people to uphold a previously-held notion of what “normal” means, it is better to do away with that archaic concept of a “normal” person altogether. The autism spectrum is a perfect example of why this is needed. > [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > I also suggest you read my entire write-up, not just the first paragraph. I did but I don’t really care what your personal political identity is, I’m talking about the larger culture which is espoused by far more than any single individual. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 1:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635/147 "2018-07-25T01:22:21Z")
I understand exactly how science works, and a statistical abnormality is an exception to the rule. I spent a decade of my life writing for Australasian Science and I have this information from the horse’s mouth itself. The ‘plethora of biological evidence’ you refer to is a plethora of social scientists with gender studies degrees engaging in what’s referred to as [Lysenkoism](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k-kEhVBdnY). I don’t need to ‘get around that’, because it doesn’t exist as an obstacle. I’m not ostracising anyone, by the way, and once again, I suggest you read my post in its entirety. I wasn’t referring to my political leanings, either. Also, just because I’m not normal doesn’t mean I can’t function just fine in society, and I have a new career just kicking off as a freight pilot for QANTAS which is going swimmingly. So I’ll thank you not to speak for my needs, cheers. I agree entirely that socially, we should all have the same rights to the same opportunities as others, with the only limitations being our own physical and mental ones. That is an unfortunate reality for everyone, throughout all species, is that physical and mental limitations do play a role in what we’re capable of doing, and being. If you don’t have a womb, you are not female. If you don’t produce sperm, you are not a male. That doesn’t mean you can’t pretend to be something you’re not if that’s what makes you feel good, but I should not be obliged, legally or otherwise, to accept your personal beliefs. I AM legally obliged, however, to not discriminate against you for your beliefs, and I never would, and I never do. Stating it how it is =/= discrimination. And if people are going to give you ■■■■ for your beliefs, bully and cajole and tease etc, I am entirely on the side of coming down on those punks like a tonne of bricks, and practising your free speech to criticise them, in full, for their disgusting behaviour. What you don’t get to do is deny reality. And the reality is, there are only two roles required to produce offspring, and that’s the only meaningful objective definition of gender that we have. Every other definition of gender is subjective, and without precedent in the natural world. And for the record, I consider the politicisation of science as abhorrent when climate deniers do it, as when creationists do it, and as when sociologists do it. If your science is the result of a political agenda, you’re doing it wrong. And on that note, the people calling it a ‘disease’ are just as wrong, since there’s no scientific consensus on whether genetic abnormality, or psychological dysphoria, can really be categorised as a ‘disease’. Whether it is on or not, however, is irrelevant to political egalitarianism, however, and disease is not an exception to universal rights. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635/148 "2018-07-25T01:25:30Z")
I identify as an 87 year old pansexual Mesopotamian giraffe, and you are a misogynistic Nazi to tell me otherwise. Something safe space, something something cry closet. Do I win? ---
**Author:** ![Abaris\_Fagimasad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abaris_fagimasad/32/280867_2.png) [@Abaris\_Fagimasad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abaris_Fagimasad)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 1:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635/149 "2018-07-25T01:55:43Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > I understand exactly how science works, and a statistical abnormality is an exception to the rule. I would advise you to take the skills you’ve learned at your decade at the Australian Science Club or whatever it is exactly that you wrote for and really examine what you’re saying here. You realize intersex and transgender people are not simply margins for instrument error, right? You seem to have this confusing notion that people who don’t conform to Aryan standards of a “scientifically correct human being” (which I’m sure you believe is somehow itself an “apolitical” idea, as if somehow there exists this fanciful world of “politics” as a magical delimited bubble and that the only possible truth lies in the status quo ideology) are themselves incorrect, as if the entire fundamental principle of scientific inquiry is not that the hypotheses can be altered but the evidence is absolute. You seem to be saying that science is simply a collection of predetermined rules and that you must be correct about a topic you know nothing about simply because your opinion is the status quo. You seem to be saying that evidence is an “anomaly” to be ignored and that your own arbitrary credentials as a magistrate of some ivory tower makes you magically exempt from the implicit bias of all human minds. > [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > f you don’t have a womb, you are not female. If you don’t produce sperm, you are not a male. So you admit that, because there are irrefutably many people who do not have a womb and who do not produce sperm, your logic necessitates the existence of people who are neither female nor male? And that it is impossible for anyone to be male until they produce sperm, eliminating the possibility of male children? > [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > And the reality is, there are only two roles required to produce offspring, and that’s the only meaningful objective definition of gender that we have. Every other definition of gender is subjective, and without precedent in the natural world. There are of course thousands of examples in nature of organisms whose reproductive organs are incoherent in the “male/female” paradigm or which can alter themselves naturally between genital configurations. Not to mention the fact that your insistence that gender as a social norm, which in reality is a complex system of ever-changing codes concerning a person’s presentation, activities, desires, and social functions far outside the act of sexual intercourse, exists for no other reason than for reproduction I think reveals your position less as a person interested in genuine scientific inquiry and more of a villain in a Margaret Atwood novel. > [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > And for the record, I consider the politicisation of science as abhorrent when climate deniers do it, as when creationists do it, and as when sociologists do it. If your science is the result of a political agenda, you’re doing it wrong. I don’t know where you got the idea that people can be objective, God-like entities free from the neurological limitations of the human brain, let alone fundamental psychological and sociological biases. I’m also confused as to why you claim to be an arbiter of science but do not consider fields such as sociology to even be potentially valuable, as if fields of science can simply be ignored if they do not conform to your worldview. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635/150 "2018-07-25T02:00:08Z")
Sociology is a pseudoscience… ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 2:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635/151 "2018-07-25T02:02:26Z")
> [@Abaris\_Fagimasad](#): > > I would advise you to take the skills you’ve learned at your decade at the Australian Science Club or whatever it is exactly … I stopped here. Your active decision to use a made-up name for Australasian Science, despite my posting of the proper name, demonstrates your choice to ignore ideas that run contrary to your own. The fact is, the ‘science’ that you’re citing is the same science that claims “e=mc2 is a privileged equation”. It isn’t science, it’s Lysenkoism. I know the science here, and I explained it in very simple terms. You have bought into pseudoscience, which appropriates real science to try to justify a political agenda, it’s that simple. You can choose to take this information and re-examine your own confirmation bias, or you can double-down and reject reality. I don’t care one way or the other. I’m not rejecting social sciences, by the way. There are many social scientists that work within the confines of best evidence, and understand the value of empirical evidence, and their best findings don’t contradict said empirical evidence. But when your findings contradict empirical evidence, you’re not doing science, be it social or otherwise. You’re doing Lysenkoism. ---
**Author:** ![Abaris\_Fagimasad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abaris_fagimasad/32/280867_2.png) [@Abaris\_Fagimasad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abaris_Fagimasad)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635/152 "2018-07-25T02:05:04Z")
Another tragic epistemological loss to the sour womb of the alt-right into which so many insecure people crawl… But I suppose engaging with you in a way that does not automatically put you in perfect control of the terms of discourse makes me automatically invalid since you would rather plug your ears and cry “Lysenkoism!” (whatever the hell that means, I didn’t have time to watch that video) than disturb the sand on which your shaky arguments rest. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635/153 "2018-07-25T02:05:37Z")
Bye Felicia… ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 2:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635/154 "2018-07-25T02:16:02Z")
> [@Abaris\_Fagimasad](#): > > Another tragic epistemological… What is your epistemology, exactly? Mine is empiricism, by the way, because empirical data doesn’t care about opinion or political alignment, it is incorruptible. I suggest you look up alt-right, as well, because you’ve used it here inaccurately and as nothing more than a pejorative. I was expecting this, though, because it’s the natural reaction of many ideologues these days. Instead of presenting arguments, you attempt to discredit me as a person by ‘othering’ me. By doing that, you are, ironically, engaging in the exact same kind of behaviour that we abhor the alt-right for - establishing outgroups for the purpose of getting rid of them. The video, which you ‘didn’t have time for’, explains exactly why your science is wrong. It’s part of my evidence, and your ignorance of the evidence means you don’t have a full enough perspective to establish an informed understanding of the topic. And then you tell me I’m ‘plugging my ears’ but the problem is, I never ignored your evidence, I explained why you were getting it wrong, because your evidence doesn’t demonstrate a ‘third sex’ that performs a role in sexual reproduction. Another projection, since the only person plugging their ears here is you, as you ADMITTED TO by not watching the video, which you ‘don’t have time for’ despite the fact that you have been posting on these forums for over an hour, while the video is only 20 minutes long. So to call my ‘arguments’ shaky is not just ironic, is an intellectual denial of your own failure to even consider the fact that you might actually be wrong. I’m prepared to be proven wrong. My argument is actually falsifiable - show me a gender that performs a role in sexual reproduction that isn’t male or female, and you’ve proven me wrong. Otherwise, you aren’t engaging in scientific discourse, but a political discourse. And once again, there is nothing more abhorrent than those who politicise science, be they creationists, climate science deniers, or identity politicians on the left or the right. ---
**Author:** ![Abaris\_Fagimasad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abaris_fagimasad/32/280867_2.png) [@Abaris\_Fagimasad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abaris_Fagimasad)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635/155 "2018-07-25T02:17:49Z")
I’m sorry, I can no longer engage in discourse because I have been “Bye Felicia”-d. And as a female in your Ferengi worldview, clearly I am deferent to your collective will as beings who exist for the purpose of creating sperm. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 2:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635/156 "2018-07-25T02:19:01Z")
![1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/c/4cd6f9df6559d633e62d91e9d2c0b9fa1077f653.jpg) Please don’t… ---
**Author:** ![Abaris\_Fagimasad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abaris_fagimasad/32/280867_2.png) [@Abaris\_Fagimasad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abaris_Fagimasad)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635/157 "2018-07-25T02:20:53Z")
Thank you, I’m going to save that for future purposes. 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 2:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635/158 "2018-07-25T02:22:43Z")
No, now you are strawmanning. I have no idea what sex you are and I don’t care, your intellectual position is the only one I care about, and I’ve demonstrated it to be, without challenge, flawed. What you just posted was an emotional knee-jerk with absolutely no substantiation. Please quote the part where I stated, in ANY way, “you’re a woman therefore you have no understanding”. Because I can quote the part where you tried to label me as alt-right to discredit my understanding. I can quote it directly. But I never did any such thing to you. I have addressed nothing but your words and arguments. I actually encourage you to engage in discourse and challenge your own point of view. The bravest and most intellectually honest thing someone can do is challenge their perspective. Which is why I’m so disappointed when people like you go in this intellectually dishonest and absent direction, because it doesn’t challenge MY perspective. You haven’t challenged me here, not one bit, on any intellectual level. That last sentence though… holy crap. I never said “men and women exist for the purpose of…”, I said, “we define male and female as genders by their function in sexual reproduction”. I never said anything about purpose. Not one thing. I recommend you stop arguing with your ideology, and start exercising your critical faculties instead. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-most-cosmetics-gendered/91635.md?page=8)