# Why are Triglavians shooting each other ... and me, who fights for them? **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [November 25, 2020, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-triglavians-shooting-each-other-and-me-who-fights-for-them/281698 "2020-11-25T10:01:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-triglavians-shooting-each-other-and-me-who-fights-for-them/281698/1 "2020-11-25T10:01:06Z")
Greetings. I don’t know where else to ask. I was out nn my daily [patrol](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/815081028) today, trying to kill a Hypnosean protected by a Drifter some ten thousand km off of the station. Turned out that wasn’t a trivial problem for my hurricane, so it took a while. Eventually a fleet of Triglavians warped to the station and pretty much immediately started attacking each other. It’s all on record; one of the ships at the station was exploding. Why are they doing this? After a bit of me shooting the Hypnosean, they’ve started aggressing me. I don’t mind the fact that they’re managing to lock my ship from ten thousand kilometers away, but I mind that they’re doing it in the first place. They’ve been doing this several times already. Sometimes they don’t seem to care at all and sometimes only a fraction of their fleet aggresses me. So they stop their in-fighting to unite against me … … the guy who helps them maintaining their dominance in the system? Why? What’s going on? Does anybody know? ---
**Author:** ![Felicitas\_Minbar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/felicitas_minbar/32/230700_2.png) [@Felicitas\_Minbar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Felicitas_Minbar)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-triglavians-shooting-each-other-and-me-who-fights-for-them/281698/2 "2020-11-25T10:07:47Z")
The three Klades fight each other (for religious or social reasons) ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-triglavians-shooting-each-other-and-me-who-fights-for-them/281698/3 "2020-11-25T10:07:54Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Why are they doing this? Every group has infighting. The Clades probably just have disagreements with one another from time to time. Given what we know about Triglavian culture, it’s not surprising that they’d settle those disagreements with combat. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-triglavians-shooting-each-other-and-me-who-fights-for-them/281698/4 "2020-11-25T10:39:50Z")
Okay, I can get behind this form of brutal brotherly love … … but why’d they be shooting _me_ instead of their actual enemies?? ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-triglavians-shooting-each-other-and-me-who-fights-for-them/281698/5 "2020-11-25T10:44:55Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > … but why’d they be shooting _me_ instead of their actual enemies?? Anyone who’s surprised that the Triglavians tend to shoot people on a whim hasn’t really been paying attention the last couple years… You _really_ trusted those monsters _not_ to shoot you? After all that they’ve done? ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-triglavians-shooting-each-other-and-me-who-fights-for-them/281698/6 "2020-11-25T10:51:10Z")
Are you kidding me? They’re not shooting me anytime else except when I shoot their enemies. I’m following them around and hang out with them just fine. Just when I start shooting their enemies, more often than not, they get miffed for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-triglavians-shooting-each-other-and-me-who-fights-for-them/281698/7 "2020-11-25T10:58:52Z")
I think it’s pretty telling the name of the outwards facing body of the Triglavians is “Convocation of Triglavians Outside of the Struggle”. Internal strife is their normal; they just put it aside temporarily to attack us. Why kybernauts imagined there’d be some kind of state of harmony with trigs coming up I do not know; some of them seemingly “randomly” attacking “allies” seems like normal. As to why they seem to specifically object to you shooting what they shoot, maybe they just do not like you stealing their killmails? “Proving” is a big thing in the Triglavian culture. Maybe they track those kills and don’t want some damn unknown kybernaut on them. ---
**Author:** ![Vortigern\_Vitalis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vortigern_vitalis/32/455600_2.png) [@Vortigern\_Vitalis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vortigern_Vitalis)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-triglavians-shooting-each-other-and-me-who-fights-for-them/281698/8 "2020-11-25T11:26:20Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Just when I start shooting their enemies, more often than not, they get miffed for some reason. They are old fashioned English gentry upset with you for shooting their fox, rather than letting them tear it to pieces with a pack of dogs. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-triglavians-shooting-each-other-and-me-who-fights-for-them/281698/9 "2020-11-25T15:40:24Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Okay, I can get behind this form of brutal brotherly love … > … but why’d they be shooting _me_ instead of their actual enemies?? I believe that’s something along the lines of ‘family squbble, outsider, **butt out** ’. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-triglavians-shooting-each-other-and-me-who-fights-for-them/281698/10 "2020-11-25T15:43:38Z")
But … they still boost my standings for shooting their enemies! All of this makes no ■■■■■■■ sense at all. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-triglavians-shooting-each-other-and-me-who-fights-for-them/281698/11 "2020-11-25T16:49:35Z")
Triglavians acting three-faced. My amount of surprise is immeasurable. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-triglavians-shooting-each-other-and-me-who-fights-for-them/281698/12 "2020-11-25T16:55:39Z")
The only sense that needs to be made of Triglavians is _all invaders must die_. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-triglavians-shooting-each-other-and-me-who-fights-for-them/281698/13 "2020-11-25T16:57:35Z")
Stop stealing my lines! ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-triglavians-shooting-each-other-and-me-who-fights-for-them/281698/14 "2020-11-25T17:01:33Z")
Is this related to any of the reasons why the federation must be destroyed? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-triglavians-shooting-each-other-and-me-who-fights-for-them/281698/15 "2020-11-25T17:06:09Z")
Well, you tell us: how would _you_ respond to someone coming into your home, murdering your family, and taking your stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-triglavians-shooting-each-other-and-me-who-fights-for-them/281698/16 "2020-11-25T17:44:20Z")
I feel like I should not let myself be pulled into this. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-triglavians-shooting-each-other-and-me-who-fights-for-them/281698/17 "2020-11-25T17:54:35Z")
Well, I mean, you _asked_, right? Because yeah, the sentiments of ‘all invaders must die’ and ‘the Federation must be destroyed’ are definitely _related_, and that’s how: The Caldari State holds a long-term grudge against people who first blockaded, starved, and then invaded their homeworld while—according to the Caldari—attempting to illegally seize control of private property. We, for similar reasons, have an issue with people coming into our space and trying to kill and kidnap our people, and steal our property. So the question then is: how would _you_ react? Since, you know, by shooting the enemies of the Trigs… _you’re one of those people_. You’re supporting the forces who have killed and kidnapped our people, stolen the very star systems in which they live, slaughtered them as they tried to leave, and forcibly _altered_ the ones who couldn’t get away. How would _you_ feel about someone doing that to _your_ family? ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-triglavians-shooting-each-other-and-me-who-fights-for-them/281698/18 "2020-11-25T18:03:47Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > _you’re one of those people_. Nah. Can’t put that blame on me when I’m only acting after the fact. Besides, there’s no evidence of anyone being harmed at all. Anyhow … I’m not familiar with Gallente/Caldari history, but I’m familiar with _recent_ history. I don’t care about you trying to appeal to feelings which are irrelevant to the matter at hand. Worse considering who actually started this whole thing … and it wasn’ _them_. Capsuleers invaded their space first … … and murdered their people first. So … I’m glad we both agree on the matter. If strangers continuously showed up in our space … … we’d eventually strike back as hard as we can. Can’t even blame them for, apparently, going all the way. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-triglavians-shooting-each-other-and-me-who-fights-for-them/281698/19 "2020-11-25T18:25:39Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Can’t put that blame on me when I’m only acting after the fact. The slaughter is _ongoing_. You are not ‘after the fact’. > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Besides, there’s no evidence of anyone being harmed at all. Hmmm. > [@From the Scope](#): > > \* DISMAY IN MINMATAR REPUBLIC AS BIZARRE FOOTAGE OF TRIGLAVIAN ACTIVITIES ON SKARKON II BROADCAST ON GALNET > > \* REPORTS OF PERUN CLADE ADAPTING AND DRAFTING CIVILIAN POPULATION INTO MILITARY UNITS IN KOMO SYSTEM > [@Or...](#): > > [\* Svarog Clade Strikes on Skarkon Tribal Resistance Army Positions Reported as “Narrowly Missing” General Kril Efrit](https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/galactic-hour-news-roundup-crackdowns-on-collaborators-cartels-and-cults-edition/) > [@Or even...](#): > > [Updated accounts of the final evacuation flights from Skarkon II and the former Republic Parliament station have told of Triglavian invasion units cutting off access to spaceports and docking bays during their final assaults on system infrastructure. It is claimed that Svarog units are particularly brutal and indiscriminate when attacking. The final flights to escape intact from the Parliament station have reported Svarog Clade carried out boarding assaults with heavy infantry equipped with powered armor, personal shields and kinetic weapons. A number of evacuation ships were trapped or heavily damaged, apparently leading to several being destroyed in space before they could escape.](https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/galactic-hour-news-roundup-triglavian-totality-edition/) Or a [first-hand account](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-death-throes-of-a-desert-planet/276453/14) perhaps? > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Worse considering who actually started this whole thing … and it wasn’ _them_. > > Capsuleers invaded their space first … > … and murdered their people first. Except… no. In fact, as was observed many times at the beginning of our dealings with the Trigs, _they invited us in_. That’s where the original filaments came from: from them. We certainly didn’t develop technology that interfaced with our warp drives in ways we still don’t _entirely_ understand in order to access space we didn’t know existed. And when we got there? We were in skinner boxes, set up to test _us_. Again, as pointed out _numerous_ times: there’s no other reason for each ‘chamber’ to have a ‘please take this once you beat the others’ box full of goodies. It’s not like the _Trigs_ needed to get their hands on their own materials, or blueprints of their ships that just _happened_ to be set up for _our_ pods, or skillbooks encoded for _our_ data storage formats. We were being tested. In their ‘Proving Grounds’. And we _enthusiastically_ participated, and made _damned_ sure they knew just what we could do. And they pretty quickly realized they could convince you folks to become ‘subornhost’ or whatever, to work for _them_. Even as they found ways to invite more of us into what are explicitly _arenas_, set up to fight _one another_ for their study, they compromised our data systems back here in k-space, manipulated the market, flooded the datastreams with their messages. No, we didn’t start this. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-are-triglavians-shooting-each-other-and-me-who-fights-for-them/281698/20 "2020-11-25T19:10:32Z")
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