# Why can miners grief me with kill rights but I can't grief them? **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [March 23, 2026, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691 "2026-03-23T00:07:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/1 "2026-03-23T00:07:23Z")
Hello everyone, James Fuchs here, I have a question for you: if I can grief you with kill rights and stop you from playing the game for an entire month, is that FAIR **?** I’m going to say: **NO**. It’s not fair. Miners keep selling these kill rights to literally everyone and now when I undock, null sec titan pilots can just shoot me at any time and literally stop me from playing the game for an entire month. CCP has to fix their game and change kill rights so they can no longer destroy the game because as you know, many newbros quit the game because they get unfairly targeted by kill rights. It provides an unfair advasntage to players with vastly more expensive ships and implants that face no risk. Like what is a new bro going to do against a literal titan pilot activating their kill right whenever they want? This system is broken and favors literally nullblocs, blue doughnut and actually ruins the game with systems that reward players for being stronger while overly punishing the VICTIMS!! The system is also broken because miners that mine in procurers in 0.9 and 1.0 systems are literally amassing trillions of ISK and laugh in the face of EVERYONE whenever they lose a ship because they say they can replace it within minutes, while NEW BROS have to stop playing the game for an entire month. It’s those miners and also those mission runners that are ruining the economy and pumping non-stop money and materials into the market so everyone can just get a titan willy nilly and decide to make new bros stop playing the game!!! And also in the lore, when you do science combat missions and leave drones behind, they turn into rogue drones and they just attack everybody. It means that there are consequences for not addressing broken systems and isntead of everybody pretending all is honkydory and fine and whatever we have to look the truth in the FACE and accept taht kill rights are just broken and stupid and it should not even exist in the game because literally titan pilots can stop you from playing the game like what is a newbero going to do with a frigate against a titan it is literally not even a match, not even a good fight ok? Also there is literally not even a profit if you activate those kill rights like it’s the biggest scam ever lol like you pay someone else for the right to ruin my game and make me dock up for an entire month, hhatht’s not even right like shouldntg the person that grief me also get the money? But also no trhey hsouldn’t be allowed to grief me because that is actually ruining the game so I take it back it’s ok, but it’s not OK, I don’t even wanna play the game because miners keep GRIEFING ME !!! ALso it’s literally the fault of all of humanity beceuase all humans are greedy and aggressive and they literally just want to grief for fun and prohibit a VALID FORM OF GAMEPLAY and that is pushing newbros and other people out of the game and it has to stop, like if the unvierse wasn’t so broken with it’s stupuid unbalanced karma system that literally doesn’t do anythign if you do bad then it wouldn’t even happen and we would have a balanced game with working kill rights like why isn’t CCP doing anythingg about this??! Actualyly CCP on behalf of pearl abyss is actually allowing for htis broken karma system to affect gameplay mechanics and utilizing human nature to disrupt the veryb fabric of the universe. Thsi produces a slippery slope of PURE DESTRUCTION that literally creates and empowers hateful human beings to destroy the game for NO REASON and then CCP can use that hate to fund their bitcoin game or whatever and it is WRONG! ALSO if all those minerships wserne’t in disgusting colored YELLOW then peace on earth will be happening in EVE like years ago already but because CCP allows for this color uit just creates more hateful human beings that feed the loop of destruction perpetually and it just accelerates the destruction of the game. It LITERALLY causes PTSD from athose memories of school buses driving around and it’s just unacceptable like why is this still haeppening?? Like when I was doigfn my drviers license test and this stupid school bus was behind me I got so scared i bumped SLIGHTLY the car infront of me and failed the test and now I have uncontrollable anger issues and it’s literally not my fault like why is there a school bus at this time like why do these things even exist do parents not have cars anymore like I don’t understand it and they’re literally coming online in EVE to grief me with kill rights and stop me from plaing the game for an entire month it’s just not fair!!! literally it’s actualyly the coffee industry that is making this all as bad as it is because if they actually produced and sold coffee at a fair and reasonable price then people wouldn’t be so sleepy on their job and actualyl do something and fix the game instead of just going to eve fanfest or whatever and pretend that kill rights are fair and balanced like if coffee wasn’t so expensive and didn’t taste weird like can’t you make a coffee that tastes good?? You do nothing else but coffee all day like you shouldbe able to make a good coffee like are you serious what do you mean coffee tastes like coffee, they don’t even drink their own coffee!! anyways, then killrights would have beene fixed 20 years ago, like this isn’t just CCP fault, but it is, but it’s also that of the entire industry ok?? It’s time for CCP to face the music, and to accept that kill right are not balanced and a problem and they need to fix it!!! With furious regards -James Fuchs ---
**Author:** ![AtheistOfFail](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/atheistoffail/32/505890_2.png) [@AtheistOfFail](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AtheistOfFail)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/2 "2026-03-23T00:08:15Z")
LOL, No. ---
**Author:** ![Christine\_Creed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/christine_creed/32/510186_2.png) [@Christine\_Creed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Christine_Creed)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/3 "2026-03-23T00:11:58Z")
All i can say is i showed up for this thread. Looking forward to how its going to turn out. 🌹 🌼 ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/4 "2026-03-23T00:17:43Z")
This has been a very informative post that highlights the plights of the downtrodden. ---
**Author:** ![Darquies\_Shade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darquies_shade/32/410887_2.png) [@Darquies\_Shade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darquies_Shade)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/5 "2026-03-23T00:20:06Z")
real quick question, and maybe I missed it in your **mountain** of text: How did they get the kill right in the First place? ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/6 "2026-03-23T00:23:25Z")
My mountain of text? It’s actually a very concise summary of all the issues surrounding kill rights, it’s not my fault that there are so many problems with kill rights that need to be all written out and explicitly stated maybe you should take it up with CCP and ask them why the kill rights are so broken that I need to write so many points about it that is making your eyes sleepy and not able to read them all without the overpriced coffee that you are not taking. Maybe you should engage with the actual content of my posts instead of criticizing my character, but that’s what I am used to on this forum from the typical critics, no surprise here!! With disappointed regards -James Fuchs ---
**Author:** ![Barranon\_Dulle\_Nardieu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/barranon_dulle_nardieu/32/493188_2.png) [@Barranon\_Dulle\_Nardieu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Barranon_Dulle_Nardieu)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/7 "2026-03-23T00:24:34Z")
ai;dr ---
**Author:** ![Darquies\_Shade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darquies_shade/32/410887_2.png) [@Darquies\_Shade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darquies_Shade)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/8 "2026-03-23T00:25:48Z")
lol. I will try one more time before i label you _ **How did they get the kill right in the First place?** _ ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 12:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/9 "2026-03-23T00:26:45Z")
it’s not AI, it’s all naturally and organically made. Literal human creation from start to finish, AT NO POINT IS AI EVEN USED IN THIS TEXT and I forbid these accusations, vehemently! With organic regards -James Fuchs ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 12:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/10 "2026-03-23T00:31:14Z")
So you actually are asking a good question. The simple answer is, it’s science! Projectiles do not stop in space, so when you miss, you might hit something else. See below No, projectiles do not stop if shot in space. Due to the absence of air resistance and atmospheric friction, a bullet fired in space will continue traveling indefinitely in a straight line at a constant speed, effectively becoming a permanent piece of space junk until it collides with an object like a planet or star. **Key Aspects of Shooting a Projectile in Space:** - **Continuous Movement:** Because there is no drag, the projectile will maintain its speed, acting as a perpetual traveler, as explained by [Quora users](https://www.quora.com/If-I-fire-a-bullet-in-space-will-it-keep-moving-because-there-is-no-air-to-stop-it) and [Philip Metzger](https://philipmetzger.com/can-you-fire-a-gun-in-space/). - **Gunpowder Functionality:** Firearms work in space because modern cartridges contain their own oxidizer, allowing them to fire without atmospheric oxygen, according to [YouTube video 2](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fsSgmv9yHLc) and [Reddit user](https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/1gyps5y/request_how_long_before_the_bullet_hits_the_moon/). - **Recoil Affects the Shooter:** Due to Newton’s third law, the force of the shot will push the shooter in the opposite direction in zero gravity, notes HowStuffWorks. - **Extreme Distances:** The bullet will continue to travel, likely for millions of miles, potentially impacting other objects long after it is fired. ---
**Author:** ![Barranon\_Dulle\_Nardieu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/barranon_dulle_nardieu/32/493188_2.png) [@Barranon\_Dulle\_Nardieu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Barranon_Dulle_Nardieu)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/11 "2026-03-23T00:32:17Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/8/6/f86b276496273ac3b2c96ba62c7537cb99117ab7.jpeg "Mass Effect 2: Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLpgxry542M) ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/12 "2026-03-23T00:32:35Z")
thank you for your input, that saves me time and stress from responding to despodent critics. With thankful regards -James Fuchs ---
**Author:** ![Darquies\_Shade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darquies_shade/32/410887_2.png) [@Darquies\_Shade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darquies_Shade)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/13 "2026-03-23T00:44:14Z")
> [@Darquies\_Shade](#): > > How did they get the kill right in the First place? Still waiting for your answer ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 2:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/14 "2026-03-23T02:22:28Z")
He is not required to answer your question. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 6:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/15 "2026-03-23T06:06:54Z")
Imagine PVPers moaning about killrights which used to be seen as medals of honor for their craft. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 7:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/16 "2026-03-23T07:50:16Z")
Thank you for backing me up on this. You are the best! With saved regards -James Fuchs ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/17 "2026-03-23T10:06:25Z")
to quote the most intelligent person to ever grace the eve community; > [@Vastly more productive High-Sec Ganking thread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/vastly-more-productive-high-sec-ganking-thread/508119/253): > > 2007 this is not. This is an unbalanced, unfair mechanic that punishes valid gameplay. A person righteously punished for not having proper permits does not have a noose hanging around their neck for a month, allowing people that are completely unrelated to the event to grief a person that is just going about their day in the most secure space to ever exist. ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/18 "2026-03-23T11:31:43Z")
> [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > I have a question for you: if I can grief you with kill rights and stop you from playing the game for an entire month, is that FAIR **?** If you can’t do the time, do not do the crime. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/19 "2026-03-23T12:02:23Z")
KILLRIGHTS IS GRIEFING :parrotdad: ---
**Author:** ![Darquies\_Shade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darquies_shade/32/410887_2.png) [@Darquies\_Shade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darquies_Shade)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2026, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/20 "2026-03-23T14:39:46Z")
The amount of Trolls that appeared in this thread. WoW [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691.md?page=2)