# Why can miners grief me with kill rights but I can't grief them? **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [March 23, 2026, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691 "2026-03-23T00:07:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/43 "2026-03-25T00:36:48Z")
> [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > OP needs to stop filling his nappy and bringing in a bunch of alts for self defence. I can assure you, I am absolutely not an alt of James Fuchs. Literally every single person in safety, code and about 2,000 other players can attest to this. ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/44 "2026-03-25T00:38:38Z")
In any case the very premise of this thread is bollocks ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 12:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/45 "2026-03-25T00:48:11Z")
> [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > In any case the very premise of this thread is bollocks So, it’s ok for all those people to make threads crying about being ganked, using all sorts of slurs, using armchair psychology, attacking the lives of people for playing this game in a different way than themselves, and garner all sorts of support. However, it’s > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > bollocks to bring up a valid issue regarding killrights? The entire thread is nonsense, because why? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 12:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/46 "2026-03-25T00:48:26Z")
I support killrights being activated for the punishment of ganking ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/47 "2026-03-25T00:49:34Z")
The thread is a claim to unfairness, which can immediately be ruled out by the existence of the killright. It’s open and shut. The post attests only to James’ struggle against reality. ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/48 "2026-03-25T00:52:57Z")
> [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > The thread is a claim to unfairness, which can immediately be ruled out by the existence of the killright. This very statement will now be used in every single thread that is made, from this day forward, regarding all the whining and crying about being ganked. Those threads are a claim to unfairness, which can immediately be ruled out by the existence of ganking. > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > It’s open and shut. > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > The post attests only to Miners’ struggle against reality. ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/49 "2026-03-25T01:00:29Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > I support killrights being activated for the punishment of ganking If Killrights in their current iteration are perfectly ok, then ganking is perfectly ok, right? Killrights can be used by anyone, even and probably especially by those not involved in the situation in any way, shape or form, and lasts an entire month. Miners can be killed by anyone, even and probably especially people not involved in the mining itself. However, a gank does not last an entire month. Mining ships have an upper limit of cost, without needing to leave highsec. Non-Miner ships have a much higher cieling, making the potential losses far more costly. You support this glaring lack of balance? ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 1:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/50 "2026-03-25T01:01:20Z")
Well, not being a miner myself, I don’t really give two fuchs about their plight, but your argument is flawed nonetheless. A “ganking” is not the same as a kill right. A “ganking” is essentially a free radical until it is conducted upon a target, which can be any other ship. It is a choice to target a specific player. A kill right is not the same, as it is tied to a specific player and only exists as a result of the action explained above. Without the “ganking” the kill right cannot exist. If you fire the first shot, you start the war, and earn all of your consequences in that moment, which you deserve, regardless of their scope. Are you being deliberately stupid? ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/51 "2026-03-25T01:04:14Z")
> [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > If you fire the first shot, you start the war, and earn all of your consequences in that moment, which you deserve, regardless of their scope. pvp happens all the time, in all corners of new eden. Where is their month long guillotine for engaging in valid gameplay? > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > Are you being deliberately stupid? are you? ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/52 "2026-03-25T01:06:33Z")
It’s not a guillotine, it’s just PVP. It’s quite a pathetic double standard you have here. ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/53 "2026-03-25T01:06:56Z")
> [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > It’s not a guillotine, it’s just PVP. Then neither is ganking, right? It’s just PVP. ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/55 "2026-03-25T01:09:49Z")
> [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > your whole argument is: We can do whatever we want to anyone but don’t you dare do anything to us, that’s unjust! Except I don’t Gank. > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > Who said it was? more than 100 threads in general chat, with however many hundreds of posts supporting the gankee. > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > Accept that you are a fool. You arent capable of having any discussions without insults? First, I’m an alt of the OP, Then I’m deliberately stupid, now I’m a fool? Are you capable of intelligence without ad homenim and conspiracy theories? ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 1:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/56 "2026-03-25T01:12:48Z")
The insults stop when you stop earning them with abject idiocy, and not a second beforehand. If you want respect, you earn it. Those other threads are not relevant to this discussion, and are not accepted as credible argument; do not deploy them again. Finally, and I mean finally because you’re a bore: You are here in this place arguing on behalf of James Fuchs, therefore his argument is yours since you’re carrying his water (which adds weight to the idea that you could be his alt, else why bother?). This means that “I don’t gank” doesn’t wash, as James certainly does. Goodnight. ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 1:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/57 "2026-03-25T01:21:06Z")
> [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > The insults stop when you stop earning them with abject idiocy, and not a second beforehand. If you want respect, you earn it. oh? I think you are not capable of any form of intelligence and resort to calling names because you know that you have no argument. That’s kind of pathetic. You should grow up a little before addressing adults. > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > Those other threads are not relevant to this discussion, and are not accepted as credible argument; do not deploy them again. Oh? According to the three braincells amongst you folks, apparently they are. Now you’re also telling me what I can and can’t do on a public forum? I don’t think so, cupcake. > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > You are here in this place arguing on behalf of James Fuchs You just can’t help yourself from being wrong, can you? I am here to argue that balance is necessary in all things. Yet again, you’re just not smart enough to catch what I’m pitching. > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > therefore his argument is yours That is not how it works, cupcake. I do not speak for anyone else, and nobody else speaks for me. I am more than capable of speaking for myself. You need to learn how communication works. I would have figured you’d have learned at least something about that in any level of school. Did you drop out or something? > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > (which adds weight to the idea that you could be his alt, Listen, Alex Jones, that’s not how it works. Every single person is capable of having their own opinions. I am a former miner that has spent Years teaching and assisting miners, that simply refused to learn. I stopped, as I was actually a fool for that. They refuse to adapt, they refuse reality, they refuse that they do not get to dictate how other people play. > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > else why bother? Maybe because some people think balance is a good thing, yeah? Never even crossed your mind, did it? Maybe ask for one of those 3 braincells back before you engage me. > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > This means that “I don’t gank” doesn’t wash Except, something you’re clearly not capable of spending any thought or action on, you’ll see that I infact, do not gank. > **[Tessa Springfield | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/2120079650/)** > > Tessa Springfield: 135 ships destroyed and 36 ships lost. Infact, I have been ganked. Guess what I didn’t do. Take a moment, I know thoughts are hard. Ok, fine, I’ll tell you. I didn’t make a rage post whining about it and using armchair psychology and fictional life situations as excuses to my inability to control my own emotions over an insignificant loss in a video game. You really do like looking stupid, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/58 "2026-03-25T01:23:59Z")
You must be incredibly lonely. This meltdown is really quite something. I’m sorry for whatever made you like this, I will pray for you. ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/59 "2026-03-25T01:25:27Z")
> [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > You must be incredibly lonely. This meltdown is really quite something How predictible! It’s almost like you follow a script! > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > I’m sorry for whatever made you like this, I will pray for you. So, you’re admitting that you do not want balance in game play? Why didn’t you just start with that? ![Screenshot 2026-03-24 191705](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/e/e/6eee8fbe93ffe7e85278b5f4ad06697ae27c70cc.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 1:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/61 "2026-03-25T01:34:48Z")
> [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > If you can predict when someone will mention that you’re having a meltdown, you probably have too many meltdowns. Maybe try St John’s Wart? oh, is that how it works? It doesnt work like having experience with individuals projecting, calling names, and using armchair psychology to throw whatever worst case scenario that can be thought of at someone you don’t know how to engage, or oh god, so much worse, just being wrong about anything at all? Are you new to the internet? New to humanity? New to communication? I expect better. Be better, Do better. ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/63 "2026-03-25T01:37:18Z")
I said, > [@Tessa\_Springfield](#): > > I expect better. Be better, Do better. not > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > try St John’s Wart? > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > Seriously. The St John’s Wart. Are you even capable of an original thought? Does it hurt when you try? Do you need aspirin? Next in your playbook, flagging all my posts. I’m waiting for it, cupcake. ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/64 "2026-03-25T01:41:12Z")
For someone as experienced at being an internet argument enjoyer as you claim, you’re not particularly good at it. Very reactive. Prone to spinning out and becoming hysterical, which are common traits among the stupid. It is you who will flag all my posts, you claiming I will do it is just you telling me you will. Classic. ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/65 "2026-03-25T01:45:16Z")
> [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > For someone as experienced at being an internet argument enjoyer as you claim, you’re not particularly good at it. i think the general forum can attest to my enjoyment. As for your claims of not being good at it, it appears that you couldn’t stop yourself from ad hominem right away, which in case you’re not aware, is a > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > common traits among the stupid. > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > Prone to spinning out and becoming hysterical, > [@Tessa\_Springfield](#): > > projecting, calling names, and using armchair psychology huh? Seems you don’t even realize. > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > It is you who will flag all my posts, you claiming I will do it is just you telling me you will. Nope. That’s not how it works, cupcake. I predicted it, and notified you of my prediction, thus in order to prove me wrong… > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > Classic. > [@Tessa\_Springfield](#): > > psychology the real kind, not the dogwater you folks try so hard to use. Again, > [@Tessa\_Springfield](#): > > I expect better. Be better, Do better. > **[Akkar Kardashev | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/92545829/)** > > Akkar Kardashev: 70 ships destroyed and 140 ships lost. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHA! Yeah, you really need to work on being and doing better. Apparently in all the things you do on the internet. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691.md?page=4)