# Why can miners grief me with kill rights but I can't grief them? **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [March 23, 2026, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691 "2026-03-23T00:07:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/515697_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/68 "2026-03-25T02:24:04Z")
You know by linking his Zkillboard just highlights how desperate highsec gwankers had become. You should try to hide links that show such as when a miner looks in on the intel of such we can clearly see that gwankers are desperate. Would you like for me to dig deeper? ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 2:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/69 "2026-03-25T02:28:37Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > You know by linking his Zkillboard did you just assume their gender, on the internet? > [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > highlights how desperate highsec gwankers had become. I can see that this is going to end up becoming another issue of trying to teach a person how to read, while using text to do so. > [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > Would you like for me to dig deeper? Yes, Watson, keep digging! ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/515697_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 2:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/70 "2026-03-25T02:30:09Z")
The pilot appeared to resemble a muscular gender so I imagine that that pilot I see is where your pilot I see as with your chest exposed ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 2:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/71 "2026-03-25T02:33:03Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > The pilot appeared to resemble a muscular gender Let me introduce you to Dana Linn Bailey; ![752607](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/6/e/f6e62f360e237b1c5e0b8fb6b2f809bebdaee20c.webp) Not only did you assume that persons’ gender, you have assumed that females can’t have muscles? > [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > your pilot I see as with your chest exposed Sorry, cupcake, CCP doesn’t allow nude characters. Nothing is exposed. Let me help you dig, Watson! ![Screenshot 2026-03-24 213433](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/0/d/a0d79391c298611dac73f911125117c4184e349c.jpeg) > **[Tessa Springfield | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/2120079650/)** > > Tessa Springfield: 135 ships destroyed and 36 ships lost. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/515697_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 2:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/72 "2026-03-25T02:40:04Z")
We don’t judge transparency in where you’re trying to lead this interaction. ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 2:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/73 "2026-03-25T02:41:33Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > We don’t judge transparency in where you’re trying to lead this interaction. ![side-eye](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/b/f/3bfb66fe7c28bda61bc7ea6a219086edfa1c9ae8.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/515697_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/74 "2026-03-25T02:43:22Z")
@Tessa_Springfield You have exposed a huge lie. The End // It doest’t take long for you to block me. I feel that the cat has your tongue! 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 3:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/75 "2026-03-25T03:11:56Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > It doest’t take long for you to block me. why would I block you? ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/515697_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/76 "2026-03-25T03:13:35Z")
I’m being let down because of your lack of knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 3:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/77 "2026-03-25T03:15:06Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > I’m being let down because of your lack of knowledge. What am I missing? > [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > @Tessa_Springfield You have exposed a huge lie. you’re correct. I did expose a huge lie. I don’t see the issue here, between you and I. ---
**Author:** ![Anna\_Dyneaux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anna_dyneaux/32/510758_2.png) [@Anna\_Dyneaux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anna_Dyneaux)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 3:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/78 "2026-03-25T03:31:14Z")
> [@Tessa\_Springfield](#): > > Sorry, cupcake, CCP doesn’t allow nude characters. Nothing is exposed. I’m pretty sure they used to, I recall some Gallente women were quite scantily clad before Incursion released. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/515697_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 3:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/79 "2026-03-25T03:31:30Z")
I hope you mean that. ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/81 "2026-03-25T10:17:18Z")
> [@Tessa\_Springfield](#): > > pvp happens all the time, in all corners of new eden. Jove space is pretty chill. For a few days the map had a whole new region where there was no mining and no PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/83 "2026-03-25T14:02:11Z")
> [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > Yeah I’m not reading all that. You’re a moron. because reading is hard, right? More name calling? Face it cupcake, you are an abuser. You cant stop yourself from spewing filth at me then blaming me for your own actions. Seek Help. ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/84 "2026-03-25T14:03:22Z")
> [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > The other more productive ganking thread I replied to 30 posts at once, yet this wall of text remains. > > Explains a lot. these are certainly words. ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/86 "2026-03-25T15:37:47Z")
> [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > Calling you a moron is hardly “filth”, especially when true. > > I only just saw the wider scope of your meltdown, it really is quite something; I stand by my original assessment of you. Cupcake 🙂 more excuses for your abusive personality while blaming the target of your abuse. ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/88 "2026-03-25T15:56:08Z")
> [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > I want what you’re smoking > [@Tessa\_Springfield](#): > > - **DARVO (Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender):** A common manipulative strategy where the abuser: > 1. **D** enies the behavior. > 2. **A** ttacks the person confronting them. > 3. **R** everses the roles of **V** ictim and **O** ffender, making themselves the victim of your “emotional” reaction. > > - **[Reactive Abuse](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Reactive+Abuse&mstk=AUtExfBJbzehqD3Wc1LtHz-xQdeNaNBU98L5NdnHqedkRQWlmIUU6-KjQCVLfaeVBaL8C0zC8Be_WkNvstV-w4_EX2GwDMnLO3TJsc_Ta15ACkIiGVtrW5oZz4J7esWpdf3-0mn4Ws7QQYJ9d9HJtStwVYNNCjLMUC94tq6iW34yybPldhk_BCGvxsH_mM4YOxE8HnuG57NgVX5fhDWAzgVtXixc_1Fhco33RWThEVnZy9NOm2dzyDrnJngB9aEv3AVquSSlzNDFzskUqyUshEdhBeoICEltqDVa7SOG37PPvKWAtg&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwiHpo_E_LmTAxUJ1skDHUFYE_gQgK4QegQIAxAH):** A situation where a victim of abuse acts out in reaction to abuse, and the abuser uses that reaction to label the victim as the aggressor. > > **Why They Do It:** > According to Psychology Today, this behavior is designed to make you feel defensive and unstable, allowing them to control the narrative and avoid taking responsibility. Can’t help yourself, can you ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/90 "2026-03-25T16:05:52Z")
> [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > Get help you first, cupcake. ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/92 "2026-03-25T16:09:38Z")
> [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > I wouldn’t use resources when there are cases like yours that must be prioritised. you abuse people then try to manipulate your target of abuse. That is a real problem. If you’re doing it here, where nobody knows who you are, you’re most certainly doing it in your life. You actually need help. This is not trolling, this is not joking. This is real concern for people i do not know ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2026, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/94 "2026-03-25T16:15:21Z")
> [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > You’re insane. You’ve made all this up and ran with it and you have convinced yourself of this nonsense. If this is genuine, and not trolling, absolutely seek help and do not interact with other people until you’ve done so. > [@Tessa\_Springfield](#): > > The primary psychological terms for this behavior are projection and gaslighting, often executed through a tactic called **[DARVO](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=DARVO&ved=2ahUKEwiHpo_E_LmTAxUJ1skDHUFYE_gQgK4QegQIARAE)** (Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender). The person is discrediting your reaction to avoid accountability, making you question your reality while projecting their own intense emotions onto you. > > **Key Psychological Concepts:** > > - **Projection:** A defense mechanism where a person denies their own unacceptable emotions or behaviors by attributing them to someone else. They are often the ones being emotional but project that intensity onto you. > - **Gaslighting:** A manipulation tactic where someone makes you doubt your sanity, memories, or perceptions, often by calling you “too sensitive,” “crazy,” or “irrational” to shift blame. > - **DARVO (Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender):** A common manipulative strategy where the abuser: > 1. **D** enies the behavior. > 2. **A** ttacks the person confronting them. > 3. **R** everses the roles of **V** ictim and **O** ffender, making themselves the victim of your “emotional” reaction. > > - **[Reactive Abuse](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Reactive+Abuse&mstk=AUtExfBJbzehqD3Wc1LtHz-xQdeNaNBU98L5NdnHqedkRQWlmIUU6-KjQCVLfaeVBaL8C0zC8Be_WkNvstV-w4_EX2GwDMnLO3TJsc_Ta15ACkIiGVtrW5oZz4J7esWpdf3-0mn4Ws7QQYJ9d9HJtStwVYNNCjLMUC94tq6iW34yybPldhk_BCGvxsH_mM4YOxE8HnuG57NgVX5fhDWAzgVtXixc_1Fhco33RWThEVnZy9NOm2dzyDrnJngB9aEv3AVquSSlzNDFzskUqyUshEdhBeoICEltqDVa7SOG37PPvKWAtg&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwiHpo_E_LmTAxUJ1skDHUFYE_gQgK4QegQIAxAH):** A situation where a victim of abuse acts out in reaction to abuse, and the abuser uses that reaction to label the victim as the aggressor. > > **Why They Do It:** > According to Psychology Today, this behavior is designed to make you feel defensive and unstable, allowing them to control the narrative and avoid taking responsibility. This information has been posted for you multiple times now. You need to actually take a look at it. The evidence of your abuse and attempt at manipulation is there for everyone to see. You need to really consider how you interact with people. What you’re doing is wrong. You’re the first to attack and the first to use your armchair psychology to try to manipulate your target. Except, this is real psychology, not your armchair psychology. You need to absolutely take a look in the mirror and seek to make yourself better. Normally, I am all about joking and trolling, and yes I can get aggressive. But you know what, I also admit to my mistakes. You can’t even do that [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691.md?page=5)