# WHY CCP SCAM PEOPLE? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 14, 2020, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894 "2020-06-14T07:04:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894/21 "2020-06-14T09:14:02Z")
How many addicts do you know ask for the addictive medium to be put away BEFORE it ruins them? Not many of them are capable of doing that, especially if they didn’t know they were inclined to addiction to begin with. (Also, many players aren’t even aware this isn’t an option to begin with, particularly since there isn’t an opt-in or opt-out setting in-game.) And once they start, many can’t stop until they lose everything. So no, it’s not that simple. This is the kind of thing said by someone who has zero understanding of addiction or empathy for those suffering from it. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894/22 "2020-06-14T09:14:21Z")
Have YOU submitted a ticket to disable this feature that outrages you? ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894/23 "2020-06-14T09:15:17Z")
Fellow human beings are losing $$$ to gambling. Disabling the feature for me does not help my fellow human beings. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894/24 "2020-06-14T09:15:44Z")
So you have not actually had the feature disabled for yourself, so this is basically virtual signalling spam. Just what I thought. You lost your money the day you bought a PLEX package or subbed or anything in the store. ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894/26 "2020-06-14T09:18:05Z")
I didn’t lose anything on Hypernet. It doesn’t affect me personally. I have no reason to ask CCP to disable the feature for me. But this isn’t about me - this is about those who are or will be hurt by gambling. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894/29 "2020-06-14T09:25:57Z")
> [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > I think I’ve read that CCP could disable Hypernet for you if you ask them to via ticket… which is kind of… weird? Why is that wierd? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894/30 "2020-06-14T09:43:34Z")
> [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > There’s nothing dictatorial about regulating addictive mediums _that have no significant positive benefits_ - gambling _in general_ falls into this category (certainly the current HyperNet implementation does). There’s nothing dictatorial about CCP deciding to discontinue providing an addictive medium either. There are legitimate grounds for players to band together and say that this was a bad move on CCP’s part and ask for them to remove it. There are positive benefits to the HyperNet though. - Allows players with rare/expensive items to more easily ‘sell’ it, without having to find a single buyer with enough liquid ISK at your location - Allows players who gamble responsibly to have some fun Just because some people have gambling addictions, doesn’t mean the HyperNet has to be turned off for everyone. Just because some people have gaming addictions, doesn’t mean EVE needs to shut down for everyone. To @Garen_Avalhar : ask CCP to disable the HyperNet for your account. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894/31 "2020-06-14T09:45:20Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Just because some people have gaming addictions, doesn’t mean EVE needs to shut down for everyone. It should have never entered the game to begin with. EvE is a spaceship game, not a ■■■■■■■ casino. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894/32 "2020-06-14T09:47:02Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Allows players who gamble responsibly to have some fun ■■■■ those guys ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894/33 "2020-06-14T09:48:20Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > It should have never entered the game to begin with. EvE is a spaceship game, not a ■■■■■■■ casino. Hit me? ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894/34 "2020-06-14T09:51:55Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Hit me? I am not a violent person. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894/35 "2020-06-14T09:52:30Z")
Baby one more time? ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894/36 "2020-06-14T09:52:36Z")
It’s weird for a number of reasons. The fact that CCP can do this means it can be opted into/out of at any time, so the smart thing for CCP to have done is to have made a frontend available to players to opt-in/opt-out of Hypernet themselves without a ticket at any time. For international regulatory reasons + abundance of caution in terms of legal liability, Hypernet should have rolled out as a feature you had to opt into. It is entirely possible that there might be legal requirements - which may vary from country to country - specific to Hypernet that might not apply to the rest of the game as a whole… truthfully I don’t think CCP/PA was very thorough in examining legal implications here, particularly since the game is advertised as PEGI-12. Unregulated gambling + microtransactions + Children demographic = legal trouble. CCP still has the opportunity to do this. They could easily roll out a patch right now where everyone is automatically opted-out of HyperNet (existing offers would remain in system even if opted out), and you’d need to opt back in if you wanted to continue using it. The opt-in/opt-out could happen via a button in the ESC menu in-game, or via your online account page. This won’t address the gambling addiction problem but it would put a dent in it (some addicts would be less tempted to gamble if they were not opted in by default, or if the Hypernet UI were not visible to them because they were opted out), and keep CCP/PA out of legal trouble if the opt-in had the proper legal disclaimers. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > There are positive benefits to the HyperNet though. I cannot deny these functional benefits. However, it is not difficult to conceive of reworks that either severely diminish the gambling liability, or eliminate it altogether (eg. incorporating UI/UX features into Contracts to make it easier for the Contract system to be used to sell abyssals) Gambling as a whole, however, is almost categorically wrong (save for niche implementations that heavily cap liability, even by “alt-aholics”, or where most/all sinks go toward a mutually desired entity such as how some state lotteries are used to raise money for scholarships). There’s no point justifying a wrong here. And no, discontinuing EVE for gaming addiction is a slippery slope argument - I’m not going to go there. ---
**Author:** ![Ishmael\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ishmael_ronuken/32/209150_2.png) [@Ishmael\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ishmael_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894/37 "2020-06-14T09:53:16Z")
Honestly, hypernet is just at home to Jita as slot machines are to Las Vegas. It was going to happen sooner or later. Now Jita can officially become the gambling central hub of EVE online like it wanted to be. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894/38 "2020-06-14T09:53:53Z")
Its not wierd because its the least effort option. The option is in there for social-rules reasons. If I was a muslim, Id be required to ask them to limit my access, for example. Basically: they want everyone to use it, with fringe cases refusing. Easiest way is to give it to everyone incase they accidently get addicted. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894/39 "2020-06-14T09:54:02Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > It should have never entered the game to begin with. EvE is a spaceship game, not a ■■■■■■■ casino. Oh I agree that EVE could have done without the HyperNet. I just wanted to point out that there _are_ significant benefits, to counter Archer’s statement. Sure, ‘having fun gambling’ is only a minor benefit, but for the EVE market it’s a big benefit that I could easily sell a Keepstar anywhere if I happen to be lucky enough to scoop one up, instead of having to haul it to wherever one seller could pay the entire amount in ISK. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894/40 "2020-06-14T09:56:26Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > - Allows players with rare/expensive items to more easily ‘sell’ it, without having to find a single buyer with enough liquid ISK at your location > - Allows players who gamble responsibly to have some fun Neither of these are significant though ---
**Author:** ![Sideways\_Bottomsup](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sideways_bottomsup/32/194490_2.png) [@Sideways\_Bottomsup](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sideways_Bottomsup)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894/41 "2020-06-14T09:57:20Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Neither of these are significant though You shouldn’t have fixed that typo, it was hilarious. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894/42 "2020-06-14T09:58:11Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Neither of these are significant though The second one isn’t significant indeed. The first one is. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894/43 "2020-06-14T09:58:36Z")
How so? Are you saying its hard to sell a super? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-ccp-scam-people/248894.md?page=3)