# Why didnt u sell on top? 📉 **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Created:** [January 15, 2021, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275 "2021-01-15T18:40:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/467 "2021-03-20T18:24:46Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > the only people using bitcoin are criminals. By whose definition? People it seems you trust and respect but I call the REAL criminals. We can’t talk about this stuff here. But if you think the people using bitcoin are serious criminals and the people making war around the globe are the good guys, you are brainwashed. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/468 "2021-03-20T18:29:16Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > By whose definition? The definition of US law, and the laws of most countries. You can argue the morality of the law all you like but it doesn’t change the fact that: 1. The people writing the laws you have to follow have decided that buying drugs on the internet is illegal and will consider the fact that the overwhelming majority of bitcoin purchases are illegal drugs on the internet when writing laws regulating the use of bitcoin. If the US decides to make bitcoin itself illegal because its sole use is illegal transactions then bitcoin is done and its value will crash. 2. The long-term prospects of bitcoin are poor. Bitcoin has existed for a long time and still seen zero mainstream adoption. The only people with any interest in doing business using bitcoin are criminals who don’t have access to the mainstream financial system, businesses that can take paypal/credit cards/etc have shown zero interest in bitcoin. So why would any rational person believe that this is going to change and that bitcoin will magically see significant use outside of criminal activity? > But if you think the people using bitcoin are serious criminals and the people making war around the globe of the good guys, you are brainwashed. Please do not make straw man arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/469 "2021-03-20T18:33:19Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > The definition of US law, and the laws of most countries. Countries? Try governments. You gotta be hella blind not to see what is going on. The U.S. has more people in prison than any country today or ever in human history. The U.S. government is an oppressive regime with a smiley face. It oppresses its own people and calls that justice. Bitcoin is just another fine example of actual freedom the U.S. government does not approve of because it cuts into their mafia racket. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/470 "2021-03-20T18:34:49Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Please do not make straw man arguments. How about you quit making bones about people who are criminals on paper and instead go after those guilty of actual, natural crimes? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/471 "2021-03-20T18:42:34Z")
How about instead of calling them “criminals” we call them fringe-anarchist-fundamentalists? Can we agree on that? ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Kell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucas_kell/32/393556_2.png) [@Lucas\_Kell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucas_Kell)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/474 "2021-03-20T21:30:10Z")
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**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/475 "2021-03-20T23:34:26Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > A criminal is someone who breaks the law, not someone you disagree with and broadly declare a criminal due to your opposition to their career choice. Yeah, I got plenty of that and it’s criminal for me to hide them doing it to me, and trying to do that to others, and trying to justify to do that to me, and trying to justify to do that to others. It’s also illegal and against my government laws to support their government actions against the laws, which government does not only violate those government laws, but, also, seek to get others to associate with them for it, and, disregard the illegal association to do so, and try to get ex-CIA officers to be caught with them by associating with them. ---
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2021, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/476 "2021-03-20T23:37:43Z")
/2 They’re are not only witness but also victim of their intentions to try to get them by association into this false sense of legislation and law enforcement, which they sought to justify in courts and have people incriminated for crimes they didn’t commit while the criminals attacking them were allowed to go freely, under the cover of those false charges and false convictions and false imprisonment and false indictments against them, seeking to interfere against their rights to apply for police work in the US, and, then, even against the Army, in Germany, which as no-one knows, never had any army at all whatsoever, and will never ever have anything to do at all with any army, especially not the US Army, not for any medical reasons related to anything psychological ever. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2021, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/477 "2021-03-21T00:32:07Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Bitcoins are not used mainly as an alternative currency and medium of exchange. I can buy anything I want with it where I live. Also Paypal ist just integrating various cryptos you can then pay with directly (exchange happens automatically). Those legacy system integrating it are obviously not the end goal, but it will certainly help drive adoption further. > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > People like to speculate on it more than everything else, and honestly its the best for that purpose. Obviously it’s still an emerging technology in price discovery mode. Some are just speculating on it, some actually understand the fundamental change it will cause. And some like you are just dumbstruck on the sidelines, not understanding what’s happening, so it must clearly be a scam or a bubble or both. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2021, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/478 "2021-03-21T00:38:56Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > I can buy anything I want with it where I live. Oh really? Your local grocery store takes bitcoin payments directly? The gas station? The fast food chains? > Also Paypal ist just integrating various cryptos you can then pay with directly (exchange happens automatically). Paypal converting your bitcoins to real currency before paying the other person in real currency is not a payment in bitcoin. And it’s hilarious that you mention this as a pro-bitcoin argument given your whole thing about how bitcoin is supposed to prevent you from having to trust companies like paypal. > some actually understand the fundamental change it won’t cause. Fixed that for you. Bitcoin doesn’t change anything unless you’re a libertarian zealot, for it to have mass adoption and be useful for anything it will end up being functionally identical to existing systems and the only difference will be whose company logo is on your credit card. ---
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2021, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/479 "2021-03-21T00:52:11Z")
[https://twitter.com/andyvblue/status/1373251360485953540](https://twitter.com/andyvblue/status/1373251360485953540) > “The B.B.C.?.. > No thank you!” 23 seconds audio-visual. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2021, 2:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/480 "2021-03-21T02:53:04Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > A criminal is someone who breaks the law, Your fixation with words on paper is quaint and all, but I challenge you to consider in your own mind what is right and what is wrong and not let some old men in a congress determine that for you. I also suggest you not let them define words for you either, words such as “criminal”. See, when they make a thing illegal, even though that thing has no victim, they create victims, therefore they are criminals by default. A lot of their victims are in jail right now. A lot are there thanks to Joe Biden’s history as a legislator. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > We get it, you believe that pedos should have the ability to pay each other without worry of being caught. That right there tells me how indoctrinated you are. 70 years ago you would have parroted all the nonsense about gays and commies just like all the other sheep. These days its terrorists and pedos. Meanwhile American predator drones fly over like eight countries the U.S. is not at war with, and periodically lobs missles in them on the basis of best guesses. That’s terrorism. Americans are more likely to be killed by homegrown extremists. Are there predator drones flying over the U.S.? Nope. We just have cops with impunity with things like drug sniffing dogs that actually just bark on command. And yes, bitcoin is legal in America, but as often happens, its failure to pay taxes on it where they are going to get you. There was a time that ordinary Americans were not taxed this way…back when freedom actually meant something and Americans were not so chicken as to fear people living in caves on the other side of the globe. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2021, 2:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/481 "2021-03-21T02:54:29Z")
I’m sure bitcoin will fix all that is wrong with the world. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2021, 2:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/482 "2021-03-21T02:56:20Z")
No. But it or something like it might allow ordinary people to not be taxed into poverty, handing more money to governments that just use the cash to further oppress them. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2021, 2:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/483 "2021-03-21T02:57:11Z")
If powerful people cannot take everybody else’s stuff, then what good is power? I’m sure they can kill bitcoin whenever they feel like it. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2021, 3:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/484 "2021-03-21T03:01:08Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > If powerful people cannot take everybody else’s stuff, then what good is power? I’m sure they can kill bitcoin whenever they feel like it. One of the few checks on their power is that they cannot show their hand like that. They have been slipping in recent years and their game is not as tight. And that is why we got the Capitol Hill riots. Mind you, I think those rioters are confused more than anything. But I do appreciate the fact that they know they are being lied to at least. They can’t define it well or explain it, but they can feel it. Waking up is a slow process. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2021, 3:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/486 "2021-03-21T03:10:04Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > More libertarian nonsense. Yes, we get it, you have a moral objection to the existence of laws and government. Now what does any of your ranting have to do with bitcoin? > [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > But it or something like it might allow ordinary people to not be taxed into poverty, handing more money to governments that just use the cash to further oppress them. That’s certainly a delusional view of things. Bitcoin is not going to let you exempt yourself from paying taxes, and why should it? Are you too much of a libertarian nutcase to understand why we have taxes and why they are necessary for a functioning society? > [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > They can’t define it well or explain it, but they can feel it. Waking up is a slow process. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!11!!! ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2021, 3:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/487 "2021-03-21T03:24:35Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m certainly not goign to take their meaning from a little wannabe anarchist though. I get it, you’re super cool because you hate authority. When you grow up you’ll hopefully grow out of that phase. Swatting at me with insults and trying to pigeon-hole me with the ideologies you have had pre-packaged from the TV is not going to help you here. You say you think for yourself, but either that’s not true or you are doing a real poor job of it. To wit: > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Secondly, the sale of illegal drugs does have victims. Of course it does. Because once you make a thing illegal you invite criminality. Create desperate times and people take desperate measures. This is all just a distraction created so that people like you will look away from the white collar crime. The War on Drugs is a distraction. Its a circus from the mold of Roman bread and circuses. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Based on what? You know nothing about me. You drug “pedos” into this while leveling a BS accusation against me. Believe me, that tells me all I need to know. You picked up a tool you were handed by your masters, and you think its a valid one. Its not. Its in the same crazy vein as gays and commies of yesteryear. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > What’s amsuing is that all of you crazy nutters all say the EXACT SAME THINGS and yet think other people are sheep. For one, crazy nutters don’t say the exact same things. For two, the truth has less variety than lies. For three, I think I have had about enough of you. My accuasations against you have been rather mild and based on what you have said. And you call me a “crazy nutter”? Wow. Look, that’s totally unwarranted. If you can’t take that back then there is no point talking to you. Besides which, if you really think that, it sure reflects poorly on you for continuing to reply to me, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2021, 3:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/488 "2021-03-21T03:29:06Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Of course it does. Because once you make a thing illegal you invite criminality. Create desperate times and people take desperate measures. This is all just a distraction created so that people like you will look away from the white collar crime. The War on Drugs is a distraction. Its a circus from the mold of Roman bread and circuses. Yes, because the only reason anyone is hurt by heroin is that it’s illegal. JFC, do you believe the nonsense you post? > You drug “pedos” into this while leveling a BS accusation against me. Well yes, because they’re a group of people who really love bitcoin and one of the few groups that benefit from it. It’s hardly irrelevant to point out this fact. ---
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2021, 3:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/489 "2021-03-21T03:33:25Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > It’s hardly irrelevant to point out this fact. It’s always been more relevant to me to point out what they point out to be irrelevant due to military reasons and treaties related to those military reasons and rules of engagement for it without knowing about contracts being attacked since they were sought to sold irrelevant while seeking to validate credit for others from it. Let’s see how many generations they try to run away with it since 1543. – You can also tell the same confusion they try to gain benefit from since then as well, without informing people about it, and while trying to blame them for the lack of communication about the information they sought forfeited, even right down to the moral grounds and reasons they sought to justify compared to the real reasons behind it, which they seek forfeited, and hide the control source and related matters and so on… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275.md?page=19) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275.md?page=21)