# Why didnt u sell on top? 📉 **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Created:** [January 15, 2021, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275 "2021-01-15T18:40:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![Adunh\_Slavy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adunh_slavy/32/265310_2.png) [@Adunh\_Slavy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adunh_Slavy)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/977 "2021-04-19T11:31:36Z")
Then I encourage anyone interested to go look up for themselves, if wages have maintained their purchasing power. ---
**Author:** ![Adunh\_Slavy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adunh_slavy/32/265310_2.png) [@Adunh\_Slavy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adunh_Slavy)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/979 "2021-04-19T11:46:38Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > If you believe that’s not the case then you believe that the majority of working class people were vastly better off in 1920 than the majority of working class people now, which is obviously nonsense. And you’re setting up a false choice there, which is nonsense. Do you honestly believe that people are better off now because of the inflationary policies of central banks? ---
**Author:** ![Adunh\_Slavy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adunh_slavy/32/265310_2.png) [@Adunh\_Slavy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adunh_Slavy)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/981 "2021-04-19T12:07:05Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > If you think that the purchasing power of work has decreased then that means you believe that someone living in 1920 working in a menial job would be better off in 1920s society than someone in the same job working the same hours now. That’s not my argument. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I don’t know if people are better off with the current inflationary currencies as there’s not much to compare it with. That was my point, that seemed to be what you were implying. If not, my apologies. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I can certainly say that I believe people are better off with a steadily inflationary currency than a volatile currency that frequently goes through hyperdeflation … We agree on that point > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > … and where just holding onto money magically generates wealth in a way that is categorically unsustainable in the long term. So long as the deflation in prices is slow and steady, sure why not. The rate of prince inflation or deflation is the problem, not the direction. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > What I know for sure though is that your claim that it’s failure of banks that currency is inflating _exactly like it was designed to do_ is complete and utter nonsense. Designed to accumulate wealth unto those who have the monopoly power to create that currency. Yes, in that regard it has done a very good job. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’d certainly say that the fact that you crazy libertarian extremists … So just how long have you been working for Nancy? ---
**Author:** ![Adunh\_Slavy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adunh_slavy/32/265310_2.png) [@Adunh\_Slavy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adunh_Slavy)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/983 "2021-04-19T12:25:35Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > So then convery your points more clearly. Likewise, government extremist > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Sure, though the argument remains that economic activity is needed to keep an economy growing and a deflationary currency encourages hoarding over spending. The rate of change is what encourages unwanted behaviors, not slow changes. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s not though. Again, that’s just the libertarian nonsense talking. Go tell that to every one who has argued against private banking based on debt for the past 300 years. ---
**Author:** ![Adunh\_Slavy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adunh_slavy/32/265310_2.png) [@Adunh\_Slavy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adunh_Slavy)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/985 "2021-04-19T12:32:06Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I have conveyed my points. You apparently just didn’t read them and made wild assumptions instead. Cry More ---
**Author:** ![Adunh\_Slavy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adunh_slavy/32/265310_2.png) [@Adunh\_Slavy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adunh_Slavy)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/987 "2021-04-19T12:36:48Z")
Whatever 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/988 "2021-04-19T14:58:08Z")
Ideological purity vs “seems to be working so far.” Nice way to start the day. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/989 "2021-04-19T15:04:31Z")
> [@Arkhis](#): > > you do realize there are ways of transmitting information from your pc without connecting it to anything? Please, walk us through _precisely_ the steps you will use to make a bitcoin transaction without breaking the air gap around the PC that holds your keys. And then, once you have done this, please explain how this process is compatible with practical _use_ of bitcoin. For example, explain how you would purchase a loaf of bread at your local grocery store. > though of course you’re also completely ok with accusing others of being child abusers because they don’t agree with your opinions I did no such thing. I accused you of making a vow to support child abusers (and drug dealers) by continuing to use illegal bitcoin after bitcoin is (hypothetically) banned, because drug dealers and child abusers would be the only people accepting bitcoin in that scenario. The accusation has nothing to do with your opinions and is 100% about your explicit statements about what you intend to do. PS: abusing the flagging system to cover up your bad behavior doesn’t make it ok. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/990 "2021-04-19T15:05:36Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Ideological purity vs “seems to be working so far.” Nice way to start the day. Speaking of “working so far”, anyone look at the price of bitcoin over the past few days? ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/991 "2021-04-19T17:09:43Z")
You realize you are arguing with people who think the gold standard was a good thing? 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Arkhis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arkhis/32/374354_2.png) [@Arkhis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arkhis)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/992 "2021-04-19T18:28:22Z")
> walk us through _precisely_ the steps you will use to make a bitcoin transaction without breaking the air gap around the PC that holds your keys scan a QR code with transaction to sign onto air gapped PC, scan a QR code of signed transaction from air gapped PC. > explain how this process is compatible with practical _use_ of bitcoin bitcoin provides a range of security options from SPV wallet on your mobile phone (least secure) to hardware wallets used with normal computers (more secure) to cold storage on hardware wallets accessed through air gapped PCs (very secure) to multi signature schemes with keys stored on multiple hardware wallets. you’re free to decide how much bitcoin you want to keep behind any level of security - it is all up to your personal risk tolerances. why am i even trying, i don’t know, you haven’t demonstrated that you’re capable of understanding any involved technologies. you don’t even understand how one can safely read information from air gapped PC for fucks sake. > I accused you of making a vow to support child abusers hence you are a piece of ■■■■ human garbage. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/993 "2021-04-19T20:53:37Z")
> [@Arkhis](#): > > scan a QR code with transaction to sign onto air gapped PC, scan a QR code of signed transaction from air gapped PC. LOL. You’re dumber than I thought. Here I was thinking I’d have to work for this one because you’d at least tell me that you’d write down every bit of the transaction with pencil and paper to transfer it. But no, you proudly admit that you’d use a method as hilariously insecure as QR codes to bridge your “air gap”. I strongly suggest that you never do anything that would attract the attention of the CIA/NSA/etc because you clearly aren’t creative enough at imagining security threats to protect yourself. > you don’t even understand how one can safely read information from air gapped PC for fucks sake. No, I understand perfectly well how you can do it. I just understand the difference between “zero trust required” and “I believe that the systems and people I trust are worthy of that trust”. You, very clearly, do not. > bitcoin provides a range of security options Yep. And only the least secure of them are viable options for use as a currency. > hence you are a piece of ■■■■ human garbage No, that would be the serious criminals that you would be spending bitcoin with if you carry out your vow to keep using bitcoin despite it being banned. You know, because those are the only people who would accept it. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/994 "2021-04-19T21:11:57Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > you proudly admit that you’d use a method as hilariously insecure as QR codes to bridge your “air gap”. Oh c’mon! I don’t know enough about the technology to follow along. Don’t tease me like that. Why won’t a QR code work? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/995 "2021-04-19T21:14:23Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Why won’t a QR code work? Because if you compromise the QR software you can send arbitrary data through QR codes, including sending the bitcoin wallet keys from the “air gapped” PC to a PC with internet access. Granted, it works for _most_ purposes because compromising it would be difficult enough that anyone interested in stealing your bitcoin is just going to break into your house and start cutting pieces off of you until you hand over your keys. But the libertarian fanboy claimed that zero trust is required because the sacred bitcoin is perfect, and their system clearly requires trusting (among other things) the QR software, the camera used to read the QR codes, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 6:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/997 "2021-04-20T06:10:01Z")
> [@Arkhis](#): > > i mean that if government makes bitcoin illegal and some bakery decides to sell me bread for bitcoin, thus becoming illegitimate business, i will buy that illegitimate bread. I’ll just leave this here. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/998 "2021-04-20T08:02:48Z")
Its easier to make other than bitcoin currencies illegal for reasons, but that would mean the dollar would be worthless in comparison to Venezuelan bolivar. Unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![Arkhis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arkhis/32/374354_2.png) [@Arkhis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arkhis)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/999 "2021-04-20T08:15:38Z")
yeah, that bakery is not an actual criminal business like child abusers or drug dealers. how is that hard to comprehend? ---
**Author:** ![Adunh\_Slavy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adunh_slavy/32/265310_2.png) [@Adunh\_Slavy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adunh_Slavy)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/1000 "2021-04-20T11:06:31Z")
It is if the government says it is. They do that sort of stupid thing all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Arkhis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arkhis/32/374354_2.png) [@Arkhis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arkhis)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/1001 "2021-04-20T11:19:15Z")
if a legitimate business (bakery) becomes criminal solely because government bans bitcoin, i don’t consider it actually criminal. how on earth does one get from here to “child abusers will be happy of your patronage” - i have no idea, takes a special kind of stupid person to make that leap. ---
**Author:** ![Adunh\_Slavy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adunh_slavy/32/265310_2.png) [@Adunh\_Slavy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adunh_Slavy)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275/1002 "2021-04-20T11:42:37Z")
Look at what many governments have done in response to covid, some things they’ve banned or made illegal are rather silly. The government doesn’t care what you consider criminal or not. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275.md?page=39) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-didnt-u-sell-on-top/290275.md?page=41)