# Why do Guristas rats jam ships that tackle Ishtar bots? **URL:** \ **Category:** Warfare & Tactics\ **Created:** [May 15, 2020, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395 "2020-05-15T20:13:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Saladinae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saladinae/32/415712_2.png) [@Saladinae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saladinae)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395/41 "2020-05-16T08:04:31Z")
Oh I can’t wait to rat gurista sites in hostile enemy space. Fact check: You only have a few moments to actually kill a ratter before the defense fleet comes. Stop being obtuse. You’re all defending bots. Probably because you bot. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395/42 "2020-05-16T08:07:52Z")
Or you know, because you are being silly. Let’s take another example into consideration. You warp in, tackle them. Their falcon decloaked, jams you and tackles you. Under the rules you want, the falcon helping them is now totally safe from Guristas. It is basically impossible to make a conditional AI that doesn’t have huge exploitable loop holes. ---
**Author:** ![Saladinae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saladinae/32/415712_2.png) [@Saladinae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saladinae)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395/43 "2020-05-16T08:20:25Z")
Stop defending bots. ---
**Author:** ![Saladinae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saladinae/32/415712_2.png) [@Saladinae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saladinae)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395/44 "2020-05-16T08:21:20Z")
I couldnt’ care less if I got jammed by a REAL PLAYER doing PvP. That’s called BAITING THE GANKER and is a legitimate PvP solution to ganks. Two players (regardless of ship choice) will kill a lone player in most situations…as they should. Stop defending bots. Gurista rats should not perma jam gankers. Being perma jammed by rats DEFENDING a bot is absurd. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395/45 "2020-05-16T08:23:44Z")
If it’s a bot report it and it will get banned. I couldn’t care less about the bot, there already exist ways to deal with them. But when it comes to rat behaviour, what you are asking for is easier to exploit than the current hate everyone setting that anom rats have. ---
**Author:** ![Saladinae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saladinae/32/415712_2.png) [@Saladinae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saladinae)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395/46 "2020-05-16T08:26:01Z")
How does removing threat from scram/web against a PLAYER help exploit rat AI? You’re also still purposely failing to answer this part: Why is this not a problem in non-gurista space…but always a problem in gurista space? Why do gurista ratters deserve more protection? And it’s not always bots. Plenty of real players have escaped me to due to perma jams. ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395/47 "2020-05-16T08:36:56Z")
Salty much? Take a bigger ship then. I get jammed by guristas but you know what I do? Take em out one by one ---
**Author:** ![Saladinae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saladinae/32/415712_2.png) [@Saladinae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saladinae)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395/48 "2020-05-16T08:37:43Z")
You can’t infiltrate enemy space in a “bigger ship.” You’ll get blobbed on the first gate. Another deliberately pro-bot obtuse post. Also you don’t have time to kill the rats. You have to tackle the ratter immediately or he’ll escape…but in Gurista space…if you tackle a ratter you get perma jammed. But I know you know this. You’re pro-bot. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395/49 "2020-05-16T08:39:48Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > If you suspect it’s a bot report it Basically this. ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395/50 "2020-05-16T08:47:09Z")
Pro bot my ass. Htfu and git gud. You are the only one I see whining like a guristas &&\_, about this. Maybe you need to get better son. ---
**Author:** ![Saladinae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saladinae/32/415712_2.png) [@Saladinae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saladinae)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395/51 "2020-05-16T08:58:43Z")
I already provided links and testimonies from the past half decade showing that many people have observed this and recommended the change. You’re pro bot. ---
**Author:** ![Saladinae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saladinae/32/415712_2.png) [@Saladinae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saladinae)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 8:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395/52 "2020-05-16T08:59:05Z")
We all know that bots make more money than they’re worth by the time they’re banned. Another pro bot post. I obviously struck a nerve in the Gurista bot community. ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395/53 "2020-05-16T09:00:51Z")
Typical, anybody with an opinion that doesn’t match your whining is pro bot. Go figure I couldn’t tell ya how to bot. I’m not a computer person, and I don’t cheat in mmo type games anyway ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 9:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395/55 "2020-05-16T09:12:35Z")
You are a dull witless buffoon with all the inherent charm of a tropical disease, good day ser! ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395/59 "2020-05-16T09:17:05Z")
Is that french? ---
**Author:** ![Saladinae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saladinae/32/415712_2.png) [@Saladinae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saladinae)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 9:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395/60 "2020-05-16T09:26:51Z")
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**Author:** ![Lloyd\_Roses](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lloyd_roses/32/244283_2.png) [@Lloyd\_Roses](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lloyd_Roses)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395/61 "2020-05-16T10:05:45Z")
It’s a valid concern here with the way some NPC EWAR and target selection works. Some actions, like decloaking, tackling etc. drawing aggression is unnecessarily limiting. While I’m fine with being shot, damped, TD’ed and neuted, ECM is horrible. Guristas is a strong outlier that allows for just about no counterplay. You’re jammed, that’s it. And implying a requirement of two ships to even hit one afk-boat, that’s a tilting proposition. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395/62 "2020-05-16T13:10:06Z")
you can still lock the ecm ship… you can also fit eccm. and no, its not really a valid concern, it is what it is; you just have to accept some targets get away. > [@Lloyd\_Roses](#): > > one afk-boat If he really is afk… ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Kalus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_kalus/32/512583_2.png) [@Lord\_Kalus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Kalus)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395/63 "2020-05-16T13:20:36Z")
> [@Saladinae](#): > > jammed by the rats. Ever heard of ECCM? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Kalus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_kalus/32/512583_2.png) [@Lord\_Kalus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Kalus)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395/64 "2020-05-16T13:22:07Z")
> [@Saladinae](#): > > Another pro bot post. You’re about two steps removed from talking about bot aspirants and joining CODE. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-guristas-rats-jam-ships-that-tackle-ishtar-bots/241395.md?page=4)