# Why do people dislike people who gank **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 10, 2022, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835 "2022-10-10T14:58:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/201 "2022-10-15T13:58:16Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > I don’t think he works for the company any longer Are you familiar with “tongue-in-cheek” humor? I was eluding to the possibility that @Altara_Zemara WAS CCP Falcon. 🐥 > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > If you undock in unsafe space Do you not see the irony of calling High-Security Space “unsafe”? Many at CCP didn’t agree with Falcon AND he’s no longer there, which is good for the game. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/202 "2022-10-15T14:05:56Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > Are you familiar with “tongue-in-cheek” humor? I was eluding to the possibility that @Altara_Zemara WAS CCP Falcon. 🐥 O. Right then. > [@x123xxx](#): > > Do you not see the irony of calling High-Security Space “unsafe”? No, I don’t. It is _comparatively_ safe/unsafe. Prudent persons will act accordingly. > [@x123xxx](#): > > Many at CCP didn’t agree with Falcon AND he’s no longer there, which is good for the game. You cite no source for this view. His departure was for wholly other reasons than his stance on Highsec violence. CCP appears to have hardened its stance on the incidence of violent or otherwise aggressive encounters in Highsec. I await with interest any resulting initiatives. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/203 "2022-10-15T14:16:56Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > His departure was for wholly other reasons than his stance on Highsec violence. I never said he left because of his views on HS violence. I simply said, “Many at CCP didn’t agree with Falcon”. I really can’t say much in these forums without being sanctioned. The current set of ISD’s aren’t tolerant to much. Virtually anything can be subjected to such broad terms of moderation. > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > CCP appears to have hardened its stance on the incidence of violent or otherwise aggressive encounters in Highsec. With this I agree. CCP finally figured out that it was hurting player retention. Why would a company choose to run off players that are willing to pay a subscription to make a handful of gankers happy? Many of which run Free Alpha Accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/204 "2022-10-15T14:24:33Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > I really can’t say much in these forums without being sanctioned. Understood. > [@x123xxx](#): > > CCP finally figured out that it was hurting player retention. Why would a company choose to run off players that are willing to pay a subscription to make a handful of gankers happy? This comment is so very Lucas-like that I’ll not respond. My views are well-known. If you are not Lucas, x123xxx, then your views and the terms in which they are expressed converge to such a remarkable degree with his that they do not warrant further comment from me. ---
**Author:** ![Omnis\_Decline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omnis_decline/32/335677_2.png) [@Omnis\_Decline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omnis_Decline)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/205 "2022-10-15T14:36:29Z")
Thanks for the response and clarification of your point. I stand by what I’ve said, much like you do with your own position, and while I disagree, this latest response helps me understand why you feel the way you do about it, so thanks for that! I’m happy at this point for us to agree to disagree. The only point in your post I’m going to respond to direcly is the one where you’re questioning my meaning, because that’s an open question about what my intent was in my post, so… > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > I didn’t really understand ‘But there’s still a limit on that’. Unless by that you meant that there are restrictions around the use of kill-rights? There are limits on all interactions in EVE, and elsewhere, so I’m not sure what you meant. Yes, I was meaning that, like everything else in EVE, there are restrictions on kill rights. Of particular note, since it was relevant to the wider context of the conversation and the message I had been replying to in particular, there’s a time limit on using those kill rights, which means your killer can avoid the problem by staying in places they’re “safe” (in a relative sense) for the durattion of your kill right and make it harder to make use of. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/206 "2022-10-15T14:50:40Z")
If the target kills the attacker before CONCORD shows up, how does CONCORD know the target wasnt the attacker? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Jackweed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/johnny_jackweed/32/332757_2.png) [@Johnny\_Jackweed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Johnny_Jackweed)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/207 "2022-10-15T15:01:45Z")
People dislike gankers because they are jealous of their skills and success. Anyone who disputes this has clearly been ganked like a little girl and is still just crying about it. ---
**Author:** ![Zieae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zieae/32/338701_2.png) [@Zieae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zieae)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/208 "2022-10-15T15:23:35Z")
> [@Johnny\_Jackweed](#): > > People dislike gankers because they are jealous of their skills and success. You say “people” like _everyone_ or do you allow for the probability of _some_ to exist? I find it incredible that _so_ many people fall in the category of jealous people. I mean, it’s a game after all. It’s not like anyone wins a porche or a helicopter irl… Maybe I don’t understand because I’m not the jealous type? I’m willing to conced the point. Another thing, how much salt can be found in the gank of a career-agent-given ship? I’m curious to understand the shock and trauma of ship loss in EVE. I only got “ganked” in Life is Feudal before I got bored of the game in a week so I can’t say I feel very concerned with your post as to what could happen to my character in EVE, let alone any emotional effects. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/209 "2022-10-15T15:28:32Z")
The amount of salt you can squeeze out of some people is immense. Sometimes the conversations last for an hour, with them talking about how unfair it was. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/210 "2022-10-15T15:39:59Z")
> [@Zieae](#): > > I’m curious to understand the shock and trauma of ship loss in EVE. Apparently, according to one poster, the trauma of ship loss, _especially the loss of a free ship (Venture or t1 frigate)_ to a player is enough to make new players quit. It was alleged by the same person that ship loss to an NPC was much less for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/211 "2022-10-15T15:48:35Z")
For the same reason that chess and go players don’t mind losing against computers now. That is just how it goes - we are not in the same league as the NPCs. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/212 "2022-10-15T15:53:50Z")
Chess and Go players quit when beaten by a human? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/213 "2022-10-15T15:56:38Z")
Maybe that is why there are so few chess and go players left. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/214 "2022-10-15T15:58:42Z")
Hmm hadnt thought about that. I did hear a guy issue a fatwa because he got beaten at dominoes and Putin lost a game of Happy Families to some guy in Ukraine when he was 6 so that might explain a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/215 "2022-10-15T16:12:43Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > Do you not see the irony of calling High-Security Space “unsafe” People get shot up in a space shoot-em-up game ? The horror ! I can’t imagine the sheer levels of PTSD from this…and having to then undergo post-traumatic hypnotherapy alongside alien proctology victims and reformed flat earthers. Shoot-em-up games should _not_ allow people to shoot each other. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/216 "2022-10-15T19:21:04Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > It’s probably one of Aiko’s alts. Heh. I like how you dodged all my points. Aw and look at you dry snitching. So cute 😃 So when you gonna drop that gank killmail or > [@x123xxx](#): > > Do you not see the irony of calling High-Security Space “unsafe”? Many at CCP didn’t agree with Falcon AND he’s no longer there, which is good for the game. It isn’t ironic. High security doesn’t mean total. CONCORD punishes transgressions. Ain’t our fault you got ganked and are salty 😃 > [@x123xxx](#): > > I never said he left because of his views on HS violence. I simply said, “Many at CCP didn’t agree with Falcon”. I really can’t say much in these forums without being sanctioned. The current set of ISD’s aren’t tolerant to much. Virtually anything can be subjected to such broad terms of moderation. LOL. Cause you “know a guy” right? Cause you know the minds of the CCP devs. Yennoe. This is making me wonder now. I think I know who you are 😃 I guess what happened is making you more cautious huh? But it’s leaking thru innit bruv 😃 > [@x123xxx](#): > > With this I agree. CCP finally figured out that it was hurting player retention. Why would a company choose to run off players that are willing to pay a subscription to make a handful of gankers happy? Many of which run Free Alpha Accounts. You can’t multi box alpha accounts bruv 😃 > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > This comment is so very Lucas-like that I’ll not respond. My views are well-known. Bingo bro. He exposed himself 😃 I’m pretty sure we were right 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Zieae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zieae/32/338701_2.png) [@Zieae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zieae)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/217 "2022-10-15T20:40:06Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > The amount of salt you can squeeze out of some people is immense. Sometimes the conversations last for an hour, with them talking about how unfair it was. I guess the amount of salt is proportional to the loss, even if the complaint isn’t rational, I mean this is a PvP game. At some point I know I’m going to be a target, if I’m not one already, so until my skills are good enough to be the hunter I guess I better fly _easy_, bling is out of the question which should save me on isk and time wasted trying to do things I barely understand with things I’m barely skilled for. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Apparently, according to one poster, the trauma of ship loss, _especially the loss of a free ship (Venture or t1 frigate)_ to a player is enough to make new players quit. That’s disconcerting. If they take the loss of a free ship that badly I don’t want to know what would happen if they stayed in the game for months without getting attacked and started getting as cocky as to undock in a billion-isk ship. I read an article about EVE some couple years ago. That player kept undocking in blingier and blingier ships, all moduled to the max and kept getting blown up, he must’ve spent thousands judging by the losses described in the article. I think they said he had the biggest rage-quit they’d ever seen or something. That article was funny and sad at the same time. Every time I shop in the market for ships now I remember that article. It sure saves me lots of isk. ---
**Author:** ![Napusi\_Se\_Kurca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/napusi_se_kurca/32/338382_2.png) [@Napusi\_Se\_Kurca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Napusi_Se_Kurca)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/218 "2022-10-15T21:03:11Z")
People hates ganking because of: A) Game gives you NO chance nor tools to defend yourself from the gankers. Well, griefers are problem, gankers are not. B)These tulips( mainly griefing clans like safety) praise themself on “pvp” activities, but those are in reality PvE. What a Hulk can do against 10 catalyst? Nothing. But if game would give Hulks 300 dps pew pew and possibility to DO something rather then just sit there and die… My point is that as a miner there is nothing you can do to stop griefers from making themself look stupid. C) Time and money invested for a miner to buy and “skill up” to barges and exhumers are insane. To become a griefer you need alpha clone and an invitation link to get one mil free skill points and you have throw away account that is capable of killinig players that HAVE to play and pay for their ships for months and months. Real money and time went into it and then some ego persona comes and take it all away and then tells you that you “are agreeing to pvp every time you undock”- no, just no. I wont PAY money to be someone else’s joy toy. D) Mining and industry are way too time consuming, unreliable and stressful occupations for one to allow himself to be griefed time and time again. E) Griefing and ganking are low skill play styles. Very low skill bar is for one to enjoy it. That is why a lot of people are doing it. F) Griefers and gankers destroyed the high sec and pushed people off the game. Usually they would say something like “great, we do not need those people anyway”. Well guess what- less then 10k on the server… I think you got what you wanted. G) I unsubed 8 of my accounts. Tired of crybabies sh#t talk me because of their failed ganking and their treats and blablabla chats in local. They want their game for themself, let them have it. CCP obviously do not care. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/219 "2022-10-15T21:21:48Z")
> [@Napusi\_Se\_Kurca](#): > > Game gives you NO chance nor tools to defend yourself from the gankers. Well, griefers are problem, gankers are not. Heh it gives you ton. Search my posts. I’ve outlined it several times 😃 Ain’t our fault you suck at the game brosef. > [@Napusi\_Se\_Kurca](#): > > These tulips( mainly griefing clans like safety) praise themself on “pvp” activities, but those are in reality PvE. What a Hulk can do against 10 catalyst? Nothing. But if game would give Hulks 300 dps pew pew and possibility to DO something rather then just sit there and die… That you Lucas? 😃 A hulk can do plenty. Namely not being dumb enough to mine on the drop in point, fit a higgs and mine aligned 😃 > [@Napusi\_Se\_Kurca](#): > > Time and money invested for a miner to buy and “skill up” to barges and exhumers are insane. Not really LOL. It’s fairly easy to hop into a barge now. > [@Napusi\_Se\_Kurca](#): > > To become a griefer you need alpha clone and an invitation link to get one mil free skill points and you have throw away account that is capable of killinig players that HAVE to play and pay for their ships for months and months. Real money and time went into it and then some ego persona comes and take it all away and then tells you that you “are agreeing to pvp every time you undock”- no, just no. I wont PAY money to be someone else’s joy toy. Oh? Then HTFU 😃 EVE is an open world PvP game. You _chose_ knowingly to play it 😃 But cry moar, please 😃 > [@Napusi\_Se\_Kurca](#): > > Mining and industry are way too time consuming, unreliable and stressful occupations for one to allow himself to be griefed time and time again. Wut. Stressful? People are literally AFK during these activities. Hence why they dying 😃 > [@Napusi\_Se\_Kurca](#): > > Griefing and ganking are low skill play styles. Very low skill bar is for one to enjoy it. That is why a lot of people are doing it. Spoken as someone whose never hunted another player in their lives 😃 > [@Napusi\_Se\_Kurca](#): > > Griefers and gankers destroyed the high sec and pushed people off the game. Usually they would say something like “great, we do not need those people anyway”. Well guess what- less then 10k on the server… I think you got what you wanted. You got any proof or > [@Napusi\_Se\_Kurca](#): > > I unsubed 8 of my accounts. Tired of crybabies sh#t talk me because of their failed ganking and their treats and blablabla chats in local. > They want their game for themself, let them have it. CCP obviously do not care. Oh. Good 😃 You don’t play anymore. So your opinion doesn’t matter. Why didn’t you lead with that 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/220 "2022-10-15T21:28:00Z")
> [@Napusi\_Se\_Kurca](#): > > I unsubed 8 of my accounts You should probably unsub the rest, krab. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835.md?page=12)