# Why do people dislike people who gank **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 10, 2022, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835 "2022-10-10T14:58:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/161 "2022-10-14T18:52:07Z")
> [@Arya\_Is\_Legit](#): > > Trauma Team in Cyberpunk 2077. Man I miss CP2020 so bad right now ☹ ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/162 "2022-10-14T18:52:17Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > But this has nothing directly to do with people disliking gankers You bring something up. Someone calls you out on it. You decide to “leave it there”. Great idea. > [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > You are forced to spend a lot of time isk and effort to do very little damage to them so at that point why even bother. Ganking is very unbalanced. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Make up your mind Two different things. Ganking is too easy. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > If you aggro suspects, you become war-eligible. What are you smoking? > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Fly in fast and hard under the guns, and there is nothing they can do. And they won’t wanna waste a shot on low value targets. Show me a cheap fit to gank a Tornado on a gate in HS that will work before CONCORD wrecks you. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/163 "2022-10-14T19:19:35Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > Ganking is too easy. In what way? Im not sure you know the steps involved, because the only thing thats easy is claiming it without anything to back it up. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/164 "2022-10-14T19:27:45Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > You bring something up. Someone calls you out on it. You decide to “leave it there”. Great idea. i don’t think I brought something up. It’s not my way, generally. I did point out some weaknesses in an earlier post (yours, perhaps?), and of course that lead to a digression, of sorts. I’ve learned over the years to realise when my efforts are being wasted, and thus to terminate unprofitable time investments (I’m trying to sort out a nasty audio glitch in my laptop atm…). If you wish to continue, be my guest! I can be reached in-game in the usual way, or, if you’d prefer, you can start another ‘nerf-ganking’ thread (which will undoubtedly go the way of its predecessors). Up to you x123xxx. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/165 "2022-10-14T19:30:06Z")
> [@Arya\_Is\_Legit](#): > > People will resort on bots then and the ones who are already running bots (gate to gate autopilots on high sec) will add a few lines of code and if the shields drop the bot will activate the distress signal. That’s irrelevant, since botting isn’t a sanctioned gameplay activity. I’m evaluating the viability/merits of ideas from the gameplay perspective alone. Botting to get around gameplay is an external consideration, and should be considered separately. > [@Arya\_Is\_Legit](#): > > Also then the attackers can bring 20 Tornados and one shot the target and warp off as suspects? > Kinda crazy right… it would be just like low sec. No, they’d still go criminal, they’d just go criminal _after_ their target dies. Basically I want to create an engagement layer that allows for players to engage gankers without the gankers being destroyed by CONCORD automatically (because then the player engagement is pointless). If the gank target fights back, then CONCORD doesn’t come (the target decides whether they want to attempt deterring the gank to try to save their own ship in exchange for the gankers not receiving an automatic death penalty). Otherwise, CONCORD comes upon the activation of a distress beacon, or upon the death of the target (but the target doesn’t fight back, so its odds of destruction are higher). > [@Arya\_Is\_Legit](#): > > I think that if there’s an illegal attack against a member of a corporation that should give the right for that corporation to declare war against the attackers. That’s all, let’s not overdo, making it fully war decable is too much. I’m going beyond that in order to address various edge cases and inconsistencies in the system. One thing I’d like to see is theft resulting in war eligibility. Right now, you can steal someone’s items and then instantly dock to wait out the suspect timer. This _effectively_ results in a lack of consequences for theft in certain cases. If thieves are flagged for war, then it’s possible to actually do something about them from a game/RP perspective. That said, to balance things out, the war eligibility can be toward only the theft victim’s corporation, and not universal. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/166 "2022-10-14T19:34:10Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > It is like having somebody walk in on you while you are perusing erotica. Are you speaking from personal experience? Did this happen to you? > [@Xeux](#): > > it shatters their ego. I would say it forces a change in their self-perception against their will. They have two choices: disregard what they believe about their self or disregard what they just came to realize. And, remember that the first stage of grief is denial. Their response should be no surprise . . . except to an idiot. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/167 "2022-10-14T20:58:25Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Fly in fast and hard under the guns, and there is nothing they can do As I said they hug the gate, so if you shoot them they just press jump and boom they are safe. Getting under guns is only if you tackle them away from gate which they will never put them selves in that position. Also if you shoot them you yourself cannot jump the gate and chase them. Obviously alt’s will work but not everyone has alts. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > See, this is what I mean. Most people do not understand PvP here. I have many many more hours of pvp experience than you, so don’t claim I do not understand pvp. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/168 "2022-10-14T21:03:59Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > No, they’d still go criminal, they’d just go criminal _after_ their target dies. You are almost convincing me, this line of thought could end up in something actually good for EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/169 "2022-10-14T21:08:15Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > They have become very slippery of late, maybe because we have been killing them with kr, they see us and switch to a tank or gank up with other gankers to attack us. > > Adds to the fun And that’s fine. A gank nado that isn’t in position to gank, isn’t ganking. Which is also a win. > [@x123xxx](#): > > Ganking is very unbalanced. How so? > [@x123xxx](#): > > Show me a cheap fit to gank a Tornado on a gate in HS that will work before CONCORD wrecks you. ? There are a ton. Also why would you do it solo? You realize you just use ganker tactics bring 3 peeps, nado dead. I mean you can just say you suck at fitting ships 😃 You realize the same rules govern them as well as you? If they are in a 0.5, CONCORD will come later. Giving you more time. Gank nados literally have no tank. They will melt to concentrated DPS, even catas LOL. And as a bonus, once you gank them, CONCORD comes in. Thus keeping the gate safe for peeps to warp thru while CONCORD is on grid. Holy quafe. You really suck at this game huh? I’ll post some fits for you when I get home 😃 > [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > As I said they hug the gate, so if you shoot them they just press jump and boom they are safe. And? You still win because now they are out of position. You guys really don’t understand PvP huh? > [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > Getting under guns is only if you tackle them away from gate which they will never put them selves in that position. Also if you shoot them you yourself cannot jump the gate and chase them. LOL. You realize you can close in perfectly fine until you decide to blap right? Cause if they shoot first, they get CONCORDed and you win regardless. If they jump before you engage, you also win because you’ve forced them out of position and now able to pursue. If you gank, and they jump, CONCORD Is now on grid, protecting that side of the gate to let people through. > [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > Obviously alt’s will work but not everyone has alts. Right. So get friends bro. It’s an MMO. > [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > I have many many more hours of pvp experience than you, so don’t claim I do not understand pvp. I doubt that considering the ignorance you’ve displayed here 😃 Zkills isn’t everything bro 😃 I didn’t even post to zkills until I was forced to when I joined RIFTA 😃 You don’t understand PvP and you don’t understand HS PvP. Ganking/AGing is under a very different rule set from low and everywhere else. It is very apparent ya’ll understand nothing about tactics and positioning. Isn’t surprising tho 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/170 "2022-10-14T21:09:06Z")
Wow your mind is a mystery, I don’t even feel like wasting my time arguing with an illogical being. You sir are just a troll one that has no idea what he is talking about and for that there is only one obvious solution: Block ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/171 "2022-10-14T21:10:01Z")
Mmm that isn’t it 😃 Love the excuse making tho. You can at least have the dignity to admit you got ROFLcoptered with facts 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/172 "2022-10-14T21:12:41Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > And? You still win because now they are out of position. You guys really don’t understand PvP huh? So if the enemy tornado is on gate and you come in a blaster harpy you activate a kill right on them they go flashy red and then imidiately jump the gate they are now out of position? How does that help you, you cannot jump after them to exploit them being out of position, If I had an alt on the other side sure but I’m 1 pilot I will not waste my time with tornado’s and their cowardly ways. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > LOL. You realize you can close in perfectly fine until you decide to blap right? Cause if they shoot first, they get CONCORDed and you win regardless. > > If they jump before you engage, you also win because you’ve forced them out of position and now able to pursue. > > If you gank, and they jump, CONCORD Is now on grid, protecting that side of the gate to let people through. Again no idea what you are talking about, they do none of these things, they simply ignore you they don’t do anything except for sit on the gate and wait for a hauler or something to come passed they will not shoot your pvp ship, they are scared shitless of any actual pvp. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/173 "2022-10-14T21:16:19Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Additionally, any act of theft or aggressive PvP (meaning not PvP done purely as self-defense, like for example fighting back during a gank attempt), should flag the player’s corporation as war-eligible. So if you gank, you become war-eligible. If you aggro suspects, you become war-eligible. In a perfect game world, this would even apply to actions like bumping, though that would be difficult to code. I agree with your post up to this point. I don’t think a simple line member without any corporation roles should have the power to drag their entire corporation into a war. In EVE it would be too simple to infiltrate a war-immune corporation and make it no longer war-immune from the inside out. This wouldn’t work out well, unless there are some extra checks, like an advance warning that '_player X of the corporation engaged in criminal acts and will enable war declarations to the corporation within 24 hours unless player X is kicked before that time’_. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/174 "2022-10-14T21:35:26Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > So if the enemy tornado is on gate and you come in a blaster harpy you activate a kill right on them they go flashy red and then imidiately jump the gate they are now out of position? Yes? If they were on that gate camping for a reason LOL. > [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > How does that help you, you cannot jump after them to exploit them being out of position, If I had an alt on the other side sure but I’m 1 pilot I will not waste my time with tornado’s and their cowardly ways. > > You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. ROFL. I don’t know what I’m talking about? You can’t even get one friend to help you 😃 It ain’t my fault you’re obviously anti social and can’t lay a good trap LOL. Cowardly ways? LOL. Its so cute how you are so emotionally invested in pixels 😃 > [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > Again no idea what you are talking about, they do none of these things, they simply ignore you they don’t do anything except for sit on the gate and wait for a hauler or something to come passed they will not shoot your pvp ship, they are scared shitless of any actual pvp. If they ignore you then good, as you’re able to get into position and secure the blap 😃 They’d defintiely shoot you if you were blinged out with officer mods 😃 Here’s the thing bruv, your elitism makes me giggle as well as your refusal to understand PvP fully. I’m sure you think the height of PvP is dueling at the sun. When in reality, good PvP is where you’re alive or your goal is attained and your target is burning in space. You have a child’s view of PvP. What’s funny is you have the solution, you just refuse to use it 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Is\_Legit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_is_legit/32/338132_2.png) [@Arya\_Is\_Legit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Is_Legit)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/175 "2022-10-14T21:40:32Z")
@Destiny_Corrupted how the CONCORD response time would end up in the case which the target doesn’t fight back? Let’s say at Uedama a target dies in 18 seconds, the pilot didn’t fight back in anyway since it had no agressive modules. How long it will take for CONCORD to come? We are missing 6 seconds here and the “eevol gwankers” just became criminal, will CONCORD respond in 6 seconds so it will match 18+6=24 seconds? Or a new timer would start having 24s on top of those 18 seconds? So they would be concorded after 18+24=42 seconds? That would be enough time to kill the target plus all kill whores or even do a second gank, a second gank is fine. At the ore belt this would be interesting because it would allow to kill multiple afk barges. New style of ganking: ![Gif-Kung-Fu-NES](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/4/0/d40e7876bd6db741c98e8cd9b7bd1f2dc650b5b1.gif) What is the chance of this being CCP and EVE community approved? I think it’s zero percent for the whole set of ideas. I think the distress signal thing could be approved, but the scenario in which if the targets fight back then no CONCORD would come would never be approved. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/176 "2022-10-14T21:46:20Z")
I LOVE NES 😃 i have 3 , one toaster , one top loader and one of those small ones “classic" ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/177 "2022-10-14T21:50:08Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I agree with your post up to this point. > > I don’t think a simple line member without any corporation roles should have the power to drag their entire corporation into a war. In EVE it would be too simple to infiltrate a war-immune corporation and make it no longer war-immune from the inside out. > > This wouldn’t work out well, unless there are some extra checks, like an advance warning that '_player X of the corporation engaged in criminal acts and will enable war declarations to the corporation within 24 hours unless player X is kicked before that time’_. Obviously it would be a corporate setting (just like “friendly fire”). > [@Arya\_Is\_Legit](#): > > @Destiny_Corrupted how the CONCORD response time would end up in the case which the target doesn’t fight back? > > Let’s say at Uedama a target dies in 18 seconds, the pilot didn’t fight back in anyway since it had no agressive modules. How long it will take for CONCORD to come? CONCORD would come right after the target dies. I think it would be fine to keep mechanics in place that effectively limit ganking to one target per timer, with the possibility of _initially_ attempting ganks on multiple targets at the same time, which may or may not work. > [@Arya\_Is\_Legit](#): > > What is the chance of this being CCP and EVE community approved? I think it’s zero percent for the whole set of ideas. Zero percent, plus at least 3 real-life death threats in my inbox. > [@Arya\_Is\_Legit](#): > > I think the distress signal thing could be approved, but the scenario in which if the targets fight back then no CONCORD would come would never be approved. Then there’s no point because no actual change is being made. The intent is to basically allow gankers to guarantee ganks against AFK targets unless outside parties intervene, and to allow players to _selectively_ turn gank attempts into sanctioned combat. If they’re hitting the distress signal, then they don’t have the intent to try to fight, so they shouldn’t be rewarded with free leech kill mails. Also, any kills with CONCORD on them shouldn’t generate kill mails. Or rather, they should list CONCORD as the only party, and delete all other player participation (thereby turning them into NPC kill mails). ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/178 "2022-10-14T22:18:03Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > In what way? In every way. I tried it. I bought a Catalyst in Jita, went straight to the Ice Field in Kamio and killed an Endurance worth **102,4m ISK**. It took me all of five minutes and cost me 10.79m ISK. Does that sound hard? > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > realise when my efforts are being wasted Fair enough, I feel the same way. Consider the matter dropped. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > No, they’d still go criminal, they’d just go criminal _after_ their target dies. That’s the funniest idea that I’ve heard lately. > [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > I don’t even feel like wasting my time arguing with an illogical being. 100% Good answer. That and, “You sir are just a troll one that has no idea what he is talking about and for that there is only one obvious solution: Block”. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > at least 3 real-life death threats in my inbox. Sounds overly dramatic. Do they have your personal information or are they just keyboard warriors? ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Is\_Amazing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_is_amazing/32/338100_2.png) [@Arya\_Is\_Amazing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Is_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/179 "2022-10-14T22:27:15Z")
One gameplay style will disapear completely that is killing any gankers for lowering their dps and then surviving a few seconds more until CONCORD arrives, that possibility will be gone forever. One thing that would add something is removing Faction Police from the player structures grid (stations and pocos) that would allow fights around the stations, that would help in wars. I absolutely hate Faction Police, in the past I used them as if they web alts but I lost some ships this year. edit: so if new possibilities of war decs come by, there will be some fighting to do on grids related to the corporation ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835/180 "2022-10-14T22:47:07Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > In every way. I tried it. I bought a Catalyst in Jita, went straight to the Ice Field in Kamio and killed an Endurance worth **102,4m ISK**. It took me all of five minutes and cost me 10.79m ISK. Does that sound hard? Did you secure the loot? If you did it solo, there’s no way you got the loot LOL. Also I’m betting he was AFK 😃 Also you straight lying cause the only thing this char of yours has lost ever is a pod in 2010. So either drop the kill mail or retract kthx 😃 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-people-dislike-people-who-gank/379835.md?page=10)