# Why do you play in Highsec space? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 1, 2021, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479 "2021-10-01T11:44:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/201 "2022-02-02T14:17:01Z")
Anybody can kill a 5billion isk bling fit battleship with a frigate. It is not always about character SP and fittings. It is knowing what you can realistically attack and win, or just ignore that little voice in your head that says don’t and be surprised when you do win. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/202 "2022-02-02T14:20:09Z")
> [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](#): > > Because I avoided LS/NS, I never learned to PVP. > [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](#): > > Since EVE PVP is boring If you never learned to PvP, how can you say it’s boring? I’d bet an acorn to an oak what you think is PVP, is actually PVE. If that is the case, then yes, I agree. PVE is boring. It’s repetitive and not very challenging. So, before you uninstall, can I have all your stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Algathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algathas/32/397229_2.png) [@Algathas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algathas)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/203 "2022-02-02T14:25:54Z")
> [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](#): > > Are you trying to logic me into enjoying gameplay? No, I’m seeing you say you don’t like PvP in Eve and you also say all other activities in Eve are so much of a grind that they verge on stressing you out. Life is too short. This time you spend complaining about things in a game that you obviously don’t like could be used to do something… Anything… That is more valuable. That is what I don’t get. I see people join the game and find out it isn’t for them (perfectly ok) and then spend energy complaining or even worse spend energy trying to get the devs to change the core of the game for them (at the expense of people that actually signed up for and like the game). ---
**Author:** ![Allisane\_Tergeryen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/allisane_tergeryen/32/305211_2.png) [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Allisane_Tergeryen)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/204 "2022-02-02T14:29:27Z")
Nope, just gonna let my toons rot or let my daughter play my accounts. She’s 8 and she sucks, y’all can gank her and feel big. I told her to block anyone who asks if she has stairs in her house. Good to go. Maybe she can coach me how to PVP. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/205 "2022-02-02T14:36:25Z")
Wow, toxic and bitter. Well you know what they say about being bitter. Bitterness is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die. Honestly, with this attitude, you should step away from the game and the forums. It’s not doing you any good. ---
**Author:** ![Allisane\_Tergeryen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/allisane_tergeryen/32/305211_2.png) [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Allisane_Tergeryen)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/206 "2022-02-02T15:01:48Z")
Oh, I thought we were joking around. You posted me the joke that you wanted my stuff and I tried to joke along with you. I thought it would maybe take some of the tension away. Sorry, I can be awkward, I wasn’t trying to attack you. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/207 "2022-02-02T15:03:26Z")
Ah, okay. I’m honestly glad to see that you are okay. Sorry that I contributed to some forum awkwardness! ^.^ ---
**Author:** ![Allisane\_Tergeryen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/allisane_tergeryen/32/305211_2.png) [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Allisane_Tergeryen)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/208 "2022-02-02T15:24:26Z")
I want the game to meet my needs as an entertainment product. I don’t think that is controversial. The game has changed significantly and will continue to. Some changes will be to make things more fun for a new player. EVE will change states or end, that’s how entropy works. It’s just a game. Tears in the rain. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/209 "2022-02-02T16:20:18Z")
One part of PvP I enjoy is avoiding being killed. There are many low effort players in Eve that pretend to be aces at the game, learning how to avoid them, and doing it effectively makes this game interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Algathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algathas/32/397229_2.png) [@Algathas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algathas)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/210 "2022-02-02T16:24:18Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > avoiding being killed Yes, avoiding being killed is definitely a part of PVP and makes the game interesting. Some of my best memories were of surviving against almost certain death. Most people ignore this aspect as there is no kill mail for busting through that gate camp. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/211 "2022-02-02T16:29:37Z")
If only “avoiding” being killed was seen as victory when it matters. Ive lost count of the amount of times I’ve had the “the fight starts before the fight starts” conversation and explained that for a miner or other PVE player, seeing the danger and not being there anymore when the danger lands on grid is in itself a PVP victory. It doesn’t show on zkill. And you don’t get any credit for it. But it’s a victory none the less There is far to big and emphasis placed on being able to tank damage until concord shows up. ---
**Author:** ![Allisane\_Tergeryen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/allisane_tergeryen/32/305211_2.png) [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Allisane_Tergeryen)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/212 "2022-02-02T16:36:16Z")
The game should do a better job giving feedback as players take actions that push them toward success or failure. ---
**Author:** ![Arumi\_Liz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arumi_liz/32/276823_2.png) [@Arumi\_Liz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arumi_Liz)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/213 "2022-02-02T17:23:38Z")
Leave the mtu and come back in a pvp fit ship to counter whatever you saw on dscan. ---
**Author:** ![Khyriana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/khyriana/32/306742_2.png) [@Khyriana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Khyriana)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/214 "2022-02-02T18:29:47Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > You shouldn’t expect to get PAID to play a videogame. Why not? You do. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/215 "2022-02-02T18:31:37Z")
> [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](#): > > let my daughter play my accounts. She’s 8 and she sucks, y’all can gank her and feel big. I told her to block anyone who asks if she has stairs in her house. FYI this hasn’t been a thing for almost 15 years now. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > One part of PvP I enjoy is avoiding being killed. There are many low effort players in Eve that pretend to be aces at the game, learning how to avoid them, and doing it effectively makes this game interesting. So you basically make this game “interesting” for yourself by never playing it? I mean, it’s not _difficult,_ Vlad: 1. Don’t log in 2. If you log in, don’t undock 3. If you undock, make sure you’re in high-sec and not war-eligible But I guess people have different standards for what they consider as an achievement these days. 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/216 "2022-02-02T22:12:43Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > It doesn’t show on zkill. And you don’t get any credit for it. But it’s a victory none the less For me it doesn’t need to, you know you survived LOL. > [@Allisane\_Tergeryen](#): > > The game should do a better job giving feedback as players take actions that push them toward success or failure. Ah yes, because those terms are set in stone right? LOL > [@Khyriana](#): > > Why not? You do. Wut. Are you saying she is being paid by CCP to play? ROFL. ---
**Author:** ![Paliphany\_Bradbury](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paliphany_bradbury/32/441256_2.png) [@Paliphany\_Bradbury](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paliphany_Bradbury)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2022, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/217 "2022-02-07T20:20:11Z")
> [@Michelle\_Vega](#): > > Is it fear of the unknown or lack of friends the main reason not to play in 0.0 or what? So there’s only 2 choices? As is often said, Eve has a high learning curve and is extremely complex. If my choice is to learn the game and train my char as much as possible why do I want to add the complexity of area’s outside of HS? From what I can tell, I’ve got another 2 - 3 years of growth available to me just in HS. As a miner/industrialist it pretty clearly is an unnecessary risk and inefficient use of training time. I don’t get sp by changing where I live and BP’s don’t research or copy any faster that I’m aware of. And when you’re sitting in 2.3b of (outfitted) ~$20 worth Orca just waiting for some gang to come by and and ‘enjoy their playstyle’ the space feels pretty real even if you can’t relate. ---
**Author:** ![Michelle\_Vega](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/michelle_vega/32/387037_2.png) [@Michelle\_Vega](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Michelle_Vega)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/218 "2022-02-08T00:19:18Z")
Not a single reply made any sence. Conclusion: people waste their time trying to make ISK in HS with zero reward. No gameplay fun, nothing. Wow… have fun, I guess ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/219 "2022-02-08T00:49:27Z")
It is where the newbros are, where the career systems are, so it is where I am m ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 1:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/220 "2022-02-08T01:10:54Z")
> [@Michelle\_Vega](#): > > Not a single reply made any sence. Conclusion: people waste their time trying to make ISK in HS with zero reward. No gameplay fun, nothing. Wow… have fun, I guess A lot of the replies made perfect sense. I would actually argue those who stay in HS are braver than you null krabs. You’re hiding deep in farmland, safe behind a donut. While the plucky HS player has to dodge Aiko and other gankers constantly. In fact, I would argue the average HS denizen is in much more danger daily than you krabs. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479.md?page=12)