# Why do you play in Highsec space? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 1, 2021, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479 "2021-10-01T11:44:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![JayEm\_HighCastle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayem_highcastle/32/395581_2.png) [@JayEm\_HighCastle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JayEm_HighCastle)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/21 "2021-10-01T21:01:15Z")
> [@Ash\_Beldrulf](#): > > - I have NEVER been able to duplicate any isk per hour amount that everyone claims can be made in Low Sec, Null Sec or Wormhole. > - The reward for Null Sec, Low Sec and Wormholes are not worth it. ^^^This ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/22 "2021-10-01T21:22:48Z")
> [@Ash\_Beldrulf](#): > > The reward for Null Sec, Low Sec and Wormholes are not worth it. You shouldn’t expect to get PAID to play a videogame. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/23 "2021-10-01T21:23:44Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > You shouldn’t expect to get PAID to play a videogame. Paid as in? ISK? Time/Fun value? ISK opportunities? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/24 "2021-10-01T21:38:43Z")
Why not? ---
**Author:** ![Algathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algathas/32/397229_2.png) [@Algathas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algathas)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/25 "2021-10-01T21:47:26Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > Missions are more engaging than null sec anoms. Mining is the same but less of a hassle since you can take away your gaze from the screen for a while without instantly dying to random strangers. Empire space is more crowded, which makes it feel more alive. There are fewer spergs there than in null sec. You can do whatever you want and don’t have to pay attention to other people’s fragile egos as much as you have to in a null sec group since you need to butter them up to stay there. You can casually do things (also with random strangers that you maybe find likeable) and know that your items will be safe in NPC stations. That gives you ease of mind to do other things and experiment. And most importantly: Well stocked markets are never far so that you don’t have to rely on alliance logistics or other annoying logistics aspects to get things you need. > > Overall: High sec is superior in every regard unless you have the inexplicable urge to swing big toys around. NPC null sec and low sec are the same (except for the markets and the egotrips of people in your groups that you need to be able to be there.) You can do missions and use NPC stations in NPC null. The missions have higher payout and LP value for many items. The markets can be lacking sometimes, but that can open up opportunities like when you move stuff bringing some extras to sell for a healthy markup. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_Beldrulf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ash_beldrulf/32/473706_2.png) [@Ash\_Beldrulf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ash_Beldrulf)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/26 "2021-10-01T22:13:28Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > You shouldn’t expect to get PAID to play a videogame. Rewarding - As enjoying my time playing and the ability to make forward progression in a time frame I find acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/27 "2021-10-01T22:22:42Z")
> [@Ash\_Beldrulf](#): > > in a time frame I find acceptable. You might need to downgrade your projected success, to account for reality. ---
**Author:** ![Bonnie\_Peebles](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bonnie_peebles/32/407537_2.png) [@Bonnie\_Peebles](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bonnie_Peebles)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/28 "2021-10-01T23:12:00Z")
I dont like zero-sum games, which is PvP in every game. I dont want to join other groups of players because their wars are not my wars. I want to do my activities uninterrupted. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/29 "2021-10-01T23:23:53Z")
> [@Bonnie\_Peebles](#): > > I want to do my activities uninterrupted. Well, if you enjoy a challenge, you are gonna love EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Bonnie\_Peebles](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bonnie_peebles/32/407537_2.png) [@Bonnie\_Peebles](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bonnie_Peebles)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/30 "2021-10-01T23:32:50Z")
Can you just accept there are people who dont “enjoy a challenge”? I’m not your target practice, and never will be. You childish provocations are uselees, I’m too old to fall to it. ATM biggest challenge to me is to find Omber in High-sec, I herd rumors THEY removed it, so no Nox for me, you know, I’m prolly gonna find a game to spend my money on that doesn f me up at ever step. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/31 "2021-10-01T23:43:47Z")
> [@Bonnie\_Peebles](#): > > Can you just accept there are people who dont “enjoy a challenge”? I can accept it, but a competitive multiplayer problem-solving wargame is probably not the place for someone who doesn’t enjoy a challenge. ---
**Author:** ![Bonnie\_Peebles](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bonnie_peebles/32/407537_2.png) [@Bonnie\_Peebles](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bonnie_Peebles)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/32 "2021-10-02T00:08:49Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I can accept it, but a competitive multiplayer problem-solving wargame is probably not the place for someone who doesn’t enjoy a challenge. Thanks for your advice, but I will decide myself what is for me and what is not. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_Beldrulf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ash_beldrulf/32/473706_2.png) [@Ash\_Beldrulf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ash_Beldrulf)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/33 "2021-10-02T00:30:25Z")
This is a game reality has nothing to do with it. Before CCP Ratt got a hold of the Economy I was making good progress and enjoyed being a paying customer but not any more. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/34 "2021-10-02T00:32:41Z")
> [@Ash\_Beldrulf](#): > > This is a game reality has nothing to do with it. This is a game, in reality. So yes, reality is relevant here, and the reality is that your opinions and wants and feelings about the economy are irrelevant. Thanks for playing! ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 4:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/35 "2021-10-02T04:51:03Z")
> [@Ash\_Beldrulf](#): > > I have NEVER been able to duplicate any isk per hour amount that everyone claims can be made in Low Sec, Null Sec or Wormhole. From what I hear they’ve messed around with wormholes a bit in that respect - but when I played it was totally possible to make those amounts of ISK - but it wasn’t just handed to you on a plate - you either needed to gain a good understanding of how to make it in C4 and below or be part of a group or have enough characters to manage a C5/6. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 4:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/36 "2021-10-02T04:54:08Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > This is a game, in reality. So yes, reality is relevant here, and the reality is that your opinions and wants and feelings about the economy are irrelevant. > > Thanks for playing! You know if you had your way you’d end up alone griping at the clouds having driven everyone else away. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 4:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/37 "2021-10-02T04:57:29Z")
If I drive everyone in EVE away, I’m gonna declare victory and celebrate. Just imagine, Aiko keepstars in every system, and they are all empty. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/38 "2021-10-02T07:52:57Z")
Its great we have a forum where non players can troll around as they please tell everyone how they dont play any more and being off topic. Also, mining lasers should do targetted module damage. On topic Also High Sec actually has people who will interact with you in a mulitplayer game, so it must be where people are supposed to be. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/39 "2021-10-02T07:55:22Z")
I prefer mostly casual gameplay. Place where I can have some area to feel free what I like, not being hampered by others trying to completely deny it. Null sec is like a very binary system, or you win or you lose. In high sec, even smol girl can do something and feel good about doing it, and the activity will not be completely turned off by bigger blocks. It gives a feeling of society, order, civilization, familiarity, and isnt constant struggle and grind of a small cog in a machine of war. ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 9:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479/40 "2021-10-02T09:26:09Z")
So, to sum it up… NullSec is near-empty because of the bullies who live there and because the rewards do not equal the risks. Why do I plan to even put a jumpclone in NullSec then? Hmm, maybe to see for myself… and give those guys something to shoot at 😄 Okay, now… for a fast and tanky ship… Any suggestions? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-do-you-play-in-highsec-space/330479.md?page=3)