# Why does CCP still charge 15 bux for 30 days? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 5, 2018, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-ccp-still-charge-15-bux-for-30-days/95692 "2018-08-05T21:40:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 12:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-ccp-still-charge-15-bux-for-30-days/95692/103 "2018-08-11T00:56:40Z")
Very simple. You. People like you, your friend, corp mates, and randoms you meet in the sky. Every player who harasses someone new just because they can without consequence. Every player who abuses the various in game exploits to disrupt others without consequence, just because they can. These factors limit the game’s retention of new players, and therefore the number of subscriptions that are maintained over time. Eve’s population has a hard cap, and as long as CCP continues to cater to sad elitist incels, it will continue to have that hard cap. No growth? No change. No change? No growth. Until CCP is willing to address fundamental gameplay issues that allow people to engage in harassment without consequence, they will never see the game grow beyond its population cap, and it will never be possible to either lower or raise subscription rates. This is called: stagnation. The Eve player base’s behavior is stagnant, therefore the game itself, its population, and its subscription rates are as well. ---
**Author:** ![Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wavemistress_moidel/32/211447_2.png) [@Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wavemistress_Moidel)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-ccp-still-charge-15-bux-for-30-days/95692/104 "2018-08-11T01:03:33Z")
If your addressing me then your wrong, I fly solo have no friends do not operate in a corp and I don’t trust the friendship, you never know which system it’s been in if you get my meaning. ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-ccp-still-charge-15-bux-for-30-days/95692/105 "2018-08-11T01:04:16Z")
Everyone is part of the problem, since every problem has two sides. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-ccp-still-charge-15-bux-for-30-days/95692/106 "2018-08-11T01:23:45Z")
Define this harassment you speak of. Last I checked you can get blown up anywhere is PVP harassment? ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 2:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-ccp-still-charge-15-bux-for-30-days/95692/107 "2018-08-11T02:21:23Z")
In Game Harassment is the disruption of another player who would be unrelated to you in any way, shape, or form, if you did not choose to harass them, while the harasser utilizes game glitches and loopholes (bumping) to avoid any consequences to their harassment. Repeated Harassment (bumping a single player repeatedly, following them across different systems) is currently punishable, however, the rework of the bumping mechanic would prevent the initial harassment from taking place, and leave disruptive players without their giggle. Denying grinning apes their laugh would do much to boost the game’s population. Appealing to the lowest common denominator leaves you with only low minded people in your game. ---
**Author:** ![Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wavemistress_moidel/32/211447_2.png) [@Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wavemistress_Moidel)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-ccp-still-charge-15-bux-for-30-days/95692/108 "2018-08-11T02:34:14Z")
Ah the bumping gambit, not my department sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 2:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-ccp-still-charge-15-bux-for-30-days/95692/109 "2018-08-11T02:42:46Z")
Bumping is fine and fun ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 3:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-ccp-still-charge-15-bux-for-30-days/95692/110 "2018-08-11T03:39:28Z")
And the population of the game that can’t grow agrees with you. See? ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 5:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-ccp-still-charge-15-bux-for-30-days/95692/111 "2018-08-11T05:10:50Z")
Niche: A specialized segment of the market for a particular kind of product or service. See? ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-ccp-still-charge-15-bux-for-30-days/95692/112 "2018-08-11T06:55:21Z")
> [@Gneeznow](#): > > I’m looking at my account now and considering resubbing but I reckon 15 euro is too much for what eve offers in the current year, I mean I can live with the devs keeping the game in limbo and refusing to make any actual changes in years beyond +5 pg and +15 cpu here and there, and I can live with them destroying high sec and turning low sec into arena pvp, and I can even live with them only ever really communicating with their playerbase on the third-party site that is reddit - but what I can’t live with is paying them 15 euro to play this game in 2018. Then don’t. That is the whole point of voluntary exchange. But don’t expect ■■■■ without, that is an idiot’s argument. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 6:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-ccp-still-charge-15-bux-for-30-days/95692/113 "2018-08-11T06:57:34Z")
Why don’t you just quit? You keep bringing up bumping. Were you an idiot that overloaded his freighter after putting cargo expanders on it and got noticed by a gank group? Just curious because you are very salty about bumping. > [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > Appealing to the lowest common denominator leaves you with only low minded people in your game. You mean like the morons who put 10 billion into their freighter after anti-tanking it? ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-ccp-still-charge-15-bux-for-30-days/95692/114 "2018-08-12T09:23:07Z")
Oh look, name calling, how shocking and unexpected from the lowest common denominator. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-ccp-still-charge-15-bux-for-30-days/95692/115 "2018-08-12T09:55:55Z")
There are things you don’t simply do and expect to keep doing in EVE so obviously those who don’t learn deserve the flaming ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-ccp-still-charge-15-bux-for-30-days/95692/116 "2018-08-12T11:41:05Z")
How is something an exploit if there is a way to defend yourself against it? ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-ccp-still-charge-15-bux-for-30-days/95692/117 "2018-08-12T18:22:13Z")
The mindset of the jerk, you’re not the jerk, the person you’re being a jerk to is inferior to you and deserving of your derision. DKE at its finest. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-ccp-still-charge-15-bux-for-30-days/95692/118 "2018-08-12T21:32:32Z")
What were you saying about name calling? Hypocrite. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-ccp-still-charge-15-bux-for-30-days/95692/120 "2018-11-06T15:25:00Z")
I think they should charge $25 per month and separate subscriptions from PLEX. ---
**Author:** ![holdmybeer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/holdmybeer/32/147512_2.png) [@holdmybeer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/holdmybeer)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-ccp-still-charge-15-bux-for-30-days/95692/121 "2018-11-06T15:50:50Z")
> [@Rocket\_Hellfire](#): > > I think they should charge $25 per month and separate subscriptions from PLEX. I also want eve to die ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-ccp-still-charge-15-bux-for-30-days/95692/122 "2018-11-06T15:52:10Z")
EVE FOREVAAAA! 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Clockwork\_Robot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clockwork_robot/32/13535_2.png) [@Clockwork\_Robot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clockwork_Robot)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-ccp-still-charge-15-bux-for-30-days/95692/123 "2018-11-06T16:21:05Z")
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