# Why does trade have to cough up all the isk sinks? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 19, 2019, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394 "2019-10-19T10:55:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Darth\_Schweinebacke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darth_schweinebacke/32/497371_2.png) [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darth_Schweinebacke)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/23 "2019-10-20T08:35:35Z")
+1 on wiping everything. I´ll just liquify everything and invest everything into Plex, which CCP would never include into something like that and most likely come out of the whole thing with even more space wealth. Great Idea! ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_C0ld](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/captain_c0ld/32/471894_2.png) [@Captain\_C0ld](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Captain_C0ld)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/24 "2019-10-20T09:07:55Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Sounds a great place to tax people who aren’t contributing to creation or destruction. Tell that to every big corp or alliance, now stop their logistics and see how much production happens? Eventually destruction will follow. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/25 "2019-10-20T09:24:53Z")
This is actually a good thing. That transactions taxes were higher in August in July is, IMO, a good thing. Why? Because it indicates a greater level of consumption in August that in July. Given the way things are going I’d like to see even mover consumption in game. I’d also like to see even more ISK creation. Lots more ISK creation. Unfortunately the transaction tax fell in September relative to August. As did the Brokers Fee, the LP Store, Skill Purchase, Skill, and Blueprint… ---
**Author:** ![Eivar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eivar/32/178879_2.png) [@Eivar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eivar)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/26 "2019-10-20T09:57:16Z")
> [@Punctator](#): > > i cant stand one think. > people buy plexys for real money to sell it for isk and they are taxed . Reseles, traders should be taxed sure, but why people who invest real money into game are taxed not only by ccp but other players (station owners) too. It is ■■■■ and scam. PLEX has far less to do with anything than…anything else. It’s merely a commodity with COGS like any other traded item. How it was acquired is moot. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/27 "2019-10-20T12:04:55Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > This is actually a good thing. That transactions taxes were higher in August in July is, IMO, a good thing. > > Why? Because it indicates a greater level of consumption in August that in July. Teckos, seriously, if you’re going to pretend to be an economist you need to pay attention to facts. Higher fees in August indicates that CCP boosted the fees and taxes in August, not higher consumption. [Updates to Sales Tax and Broker Fees](https://www.eveonline.com/article/pvewgz/updates-to-sales-taxes-and-brokers-fees) It’s pretty much what the whole thread is about. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/29 "2019-10-20T12:30:59Z")
yeah i just tried to buy a injector in jita sell 818m buy 794m i try to buy 794m and after fees it is 835m what a load of garbage ---
**Author:** ![Agondray](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agondray/32/414989_2.png) [@Agondray](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agondray)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/30 "2019-10-20T14:26:45Z")
> [@Eivar](#): > > PLEX has far less to do with anything than… When you sell plex on the market you are taxed, when you buy plex on the market you are taxed. the taxes work both ways so if you buy plex to sell you lose a good bit to the taxes, but you ofcourse can charge more to make up for the taxes so long as the plex market responds with all bottom price lines, other wise that price you put to make up for the loss of taxes may not be the first sell order which causes you to wait for yours to sell ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/31 "2019-10-20T15:10:20Z")
you didn’t buy the one for 794 m then. someone had one at 835 and thats the one you purchased. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/32 "2019-10-20T15:11:08Z")
i didnt purchase any yet i tried to create a buy order for 794 and the cost of the buy order was 835 so i didnt do it because its stupid and dumb ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/33 "2019-10-20T15:43:08Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > the cost of the buy order was 835 so i didnt do it because its stupid and dumb It’s your fault for placing a buy order at a non-player owned market and suffering the NPC taxes. Set up a buy order in Tranquility Trading Towers in Perimeter and you’ll see how it’s possible that people can put up very thin margin orders. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/34 "2019-10-20T15:45:27Z")
i didnt put up an order i didnt buy anything yet ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/35 "2019-10-20T15:54:58Z")
> [@Marek\_Kanenald](#): > > Destruction of those goods requires more ISK spending to replace them. This is **horizontal** ISK movement - the ISK moves horizontally from one player to another. Faucets and sinks are **vertical** ISK movement - the _total money supply_ is either going up (faucet) or down (sink). ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/36 "2019-10-20T16:26:23Z")
Lol, nobody pays more than 0.5% broker fee on buy orders in Jita. That’s why you see this tight spread. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/37 "2019-10-20T16:28:46Z")
i have to pay 5.1% ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/39 "2019-10-20T16:35:41Z")
well i mean i cant set it to immediate if no order exists at the price i am offering… i would just buy it otherwise probably better to just buy through local chat ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/41 "2019-10-20T16:48:03Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > i have to pay 5.1% Then you are dumb, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/43 "2019-10-20T16:52:44Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > Then you are a shitlord, sorry If you’re gonna insult someone, you better have the balls to commit, at least. > [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > (post withdrawn by author, will be automatically deleted in 24 hours unless flagged) Also, **we told you how to get lower Brokers Fees**. Use a player owned markets in player owned citadels. The brokers fees are set MUCH lower than NPCs. If you are still placing buy orders in an NPC station and eating brokers fees up the wazoo, that’s your fault for being dumb. USE PLAYER OWNED MARKETS, they have **MUCH** lower broker’s fees. If you still choose to pay 5.1% by setting up an order in an NPC station, then you’re a lost cause. We tried to help and you still refused to listen. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/44 "2019-10-20T16:54:01Z")
why are you quoting posts after i deleted them and you didnt tell me anything useful all you did was try to blame me for something that never happened i dont need to listen to people like you or tipa ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/45 "2019-10-20T16:56:08Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > and you didnt tell me anything useful all you did was try to blame me for something that never happened Player owned markets have lowers Brokers fees (this means you pay less). NPC owned markets have higher Brokers fees (this means you pay more). You pick which one you want to set up orders in. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/46 "2019-10-20T16:57:35Z")
idc what you posted its not useful or relevant to me i already know about player owned stations that has nothing to do with what i said youre just looking for an excuse to whine at someone well go whine at your mom [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394.md?page=3)